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Rank: New-farer Joined: 4/10/2011 Posts: 27 Location: Nairobi
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chepkel wrote:I think people have a very bad impression of Islam for various reasons. I used to be like this too. However, I visited an Islamic country and came to realize that the religion is actually quite good and strong. Muslims have a very strong bond which is displayed in the way they relate to each other. They behave like sisters and brothers. I find it amazing. You cannot fail to get help, unconditional help in times of need. And in fact I was very suprised with their way of life. Very different from how I imagined it eor heard about it.
Islam is a good religion, principally. The true Islam is good. However, like all other religions, people tend to misinterpret the teachings and implement their own laws and restrictions. And this is what spoils the good name of Islam. Christians would be in big trouble if we implemented even a quarter of what the bible says regarding women and men. Hahahaha.
Nonetheless, Saudi Arabia is in a category of its own kabisa kabisa. So would you wish that for our soceity? For instance when you were there were you allowd to express your hunger #Njaa mingi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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chepkel wrote:I think people have a very bad impression of Islam for various reasons. I used to be like this too. However, I visited an Islamic country and came to realize that the religion is actually quite good and strong. Muslims have a very strong bond which is displayed in the way they relate to each other. They behave like sisters and brothers. I find it amazing. You cannot fail to get help, unconditional help in times of need. And in fact I was very suprised with their way of life. Very different from how I imagined it eor heard about it.
Islam is a good religion, principally. The true Islam is good. However, like all other religions, people tend to misinterpret the teachings and implement their own laws and restrictions. And this is what spoils the good name of Islam. Christians would be in big trouble if we implemented even a quarter of what the bible says regarding women and men. Hahahaha.
Nonetheless, Saudi Arabia is in a category of its own kabisa kabisa. "'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.' This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like it, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." This is what Jesus Christ summarized the WHOLE law. Do you honesty believe that implementing a quarter of that would cause 'big trouble'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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nakujua wrote:bkismat wrote:Saudia is a strange country. The IOC had o twist their arms to allow for female athletes at the Olympics. 2 women participated. one a Saudi living in America and one from Saudi Arabia. The unlucky girl is still being abused and threatened just coz she participated in the Olympics. was that the girl who ran fully covered, and got a standing ovation when she came in last. well its their laws, whether religious or not - would love to see their men soccer team play with kanzus Yep in the 800m that was the one who stays in the US. The one who is being threatened participated in one of the martial arts not sure which one it was. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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B.Timer wrote:
Reading through most posts here, one gets to terms just how paplable Religious passsions can get.
Though as you would expect, I have my thoughts in that regard, but for now I will try to steer clear of the open ended controversy.
As regards the Title of the thread, I think it's in order. One can't say everything in the title - the details that follow expound on the matter to achieve clarity.
That aside any rule, whether enshrined in law or just some practice - that forbids Women from driving is repugnant, discriminatory, archaic and retrogressive.
It gets worse when the Government is the main enforcer of the rule.
However much we may wish to bury our heads in the sand, it is clear that the proponents of the rule explain it in religious terms.
Remember it's by sheer happenstance that you and I were born Men. Same applies to Women
Imagine yourself as a Woman in Saudi Arabia with such restrictions around your life.
Cant drive, cant go out alone to do some shopping, you are practically held hostage by this dictates - simply sickening.
Are the Women there allowed to challenge these shackles in Court. Hoping that their lives wont be threatened for taking such a move.
Very well put.  If driving is not prohibited by Sharia law then why Saudi Arabia prohibits women from driving just doesn't add up. Even in this country, sometimes in the 60's even 70's and 80's, family heads (men) used to prevent girls from attending school for no reason at all. These Saudi prejudices need to die.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/6/2010 Posts: 741 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:chepkel wrote:I think people have a very bad impression of Islam for various reasons. I used to be like this too. However, I visited an Islamic country and came to realize that the religion is actually quite good and strong. Muslims have a very strong bond which is displayed in the way they relate to each other. They behave like sisters and brothers. I find it amazing. You cannot fail to get help, unconditional help in times of need. And in fact I was very suprised with their way of life. Very different from how I imagined it eor heard about it.
Islam is a good religion, principally. The true Islam is good. However, like all other religions, people tend to misinterpret the teachings and implement their own laws and restrictions. And this is what spoils the good name of Islam. Christians would be in big trouble if we implemented even a quarter of what the bible says regarding women and men. Hahahaha.
Nonetheless, Saudi Arabia is in a category of its own kabisa kabisa. "'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.' This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like it, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." This is what Jesus Christ summarized the WHOLE law. Do you honesty believe that implementing a quarter of that would cause 'big trouble'? There is nothing wrong with that. And Islam teaches that too. But people tend to misinterpret other stuff to suit their own circumstances. For instance, the Old Testament talks about many things which would not be quite suitable if we implemented them. Anyway, I do not support the suppression of women and discriminatory laws based on religion. I believe religion is very personal because in the end each individual will face his or her own judgement. Nevertheless, People do a lot of injustice to Islam, like in the case of Saudi Arabia.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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chepkel wrote:Mukiri wrote:chepkel wrote:I think people have a very bad impression of Islam for various reasons. I used to be like this too. However, I visited an Islamic country and came to realize that the religion is actually quite good and strong. Muslims have a very strong bond which is displayed in the way they relate to each other. They behave like sisters and brothers. I find it amazing. You cannot fail to get help, unconditional help in times of need. And in fact I was very suprised with their way of life. Very different from how I imagined it eor heard about it.
Islam is a good religion, principally. The true Islam is good. However, like all other religions, people tend to misinterpret the teachings and implement their own laws and restrictions. And this is what spoils the good name of Islam. Christians would be in big trouble if we implemented even a quarter of what the bible says regarding women and men. Hahahaha.
Nonetheless, Saudi Arabia is in a category of its own kabisa kabisa. "'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.' This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like it, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." This is what Jesus Christ summarized the WHOLE law. Do you honesty believe that implementing a quarter of that would cause 'big trouble'? There is nothing wrong with that. And Islam teaches that too. But people tend to misinterpret other stuff to suit their own circumstances. For instance, the Old Testament talks about many things which would not be quite suitable if we implemented them. Anyway, I do not support the suppression of women and discriminatory laws based on religion. I believe religion is very personal because in the end each individual will face his or her own judgement. Nevertheless, People do a lot of injustice to Islam, like in the case of Saudi Arabia. I hear you. However, I'd also want to imagine that you know that Jesus Christ Himself, sometimes went against the teachings of the old testament. He came to write a new law. Set an example. So following a quarter, a half or the whole new law is doable, with His help. I agree with you when you say 'People do a lot of injustice to Islam, like in the case of Saudi Arabia'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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So, after all the blah blah and pontification, women still cant drive in Saudia, can they? LOL Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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chepkel wrote:Mukiri wrote:chepkel wrote:I think people have a very bad impression of Islam for various reasons. I used to be like this too. However, I visited an Islamic country and came to realize that the religion is actually quite good and strong. Muslims have a very strong bond which is displayed in the way they relate to each other. They behave like sisters and brothers. I find it amazing. You cannot fail to get help, unconditional help in times of need. And in fact I was very suprised with their way of life. Very different from how I imagined it eor heard about it.
Islam is a good religion, principally. The true Islam is good. However, like all other religions, people tend to misinterpret the teachings and implement their own laws and restrictions. And this is what spoils the good name of Islam. Christians would be in big trouble if we implemented even a quarter of what the bible says regarding women and men. Hahahaha.
Nonetheless, Saudi Arabia is in a category of its own kabisa kabisa. "'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.' This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like it, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." This is what Jesus Christ summarized the WHOLE law. Do you honesty believe that implementing a quarter of that would cause 'big trouble'? There is nothing wrong with that. And Islam teaches that too. But people tend to misinterpret other stuff to suit their own circumstances. For instance, the Old Testament talks about many things which would not be quite suitable if we implemented them. Anyway, I do not support the suppression of women and discriminatory laws based on religion. I believe religion is very personal because in the end each individual will face his or her own judgement. Nevertheless, People do a lot of injustice to Islam, like in the case of Saudi Arabia. @Chepkel you've put things in the most objective manner. Even better than myself! It is true where you find women oppressed, women exploited, women mistreated, among Muslims, that is because those Muslims themselves are not representing the principles of the religion. And in every religion we've got black sheep. Just like I would not judge Jesus (peace be upon him) by the behaviour of some Christians. Because some do not represent the tachings of Jesus (peace be upon him)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@Mukiri am still at your case. We have pointed to you that, the driving case in Saudia is not Islam but the goverment law, but there are some things which are in your Holy Book that are opressive to women.
While you are at this, please answer these questions:
1. Does your Bible say birth of any female is a loss? (Ecclesiasticus 22:3) "...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss"
2. Jesus himself in Revelation 14:4 considered women as dirt that defiles men.
Even Jesus, your highest role model, loathed women. It is in your Bible!!
What does that tell you? That the women in the Bible are nothing but defiling filth and rubbish to men.
To me, this is an insult to women. But this is the way your Bible considers women.
3. Does tha Bible also say if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she becomes unclean for 7 days.
But if she gives birth to a baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days.
Exaplain to me why the birth of any female causes double the pollution (Leviticus 12:2-5)
4. Also are fathers asked to sell their daughters as slave girls? (Exodus 21:7-8)
5. And does the Bible say daughters should inherit nothing when there are sons? "If a man dies and leaves no son, turn his inheritance over to his daughter. (Numbers 27:8)"
So the new law in our constitutio, which was copied from Shariah law for you informatio, of splitting everything equally is not Biblical.
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