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kysse
#11 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:50:24 PM
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tycho wrote:

Let's agree that God doesn't withdraw his gifts to Man, and despite Solomon's waywardness he could still choose the right thing. But didn't choose. Should he still qualify as 'wise'?


Yes,but Wise for the World.There is such a thing as worldly wisdom which your friend solomon was exhibiting and it worked.

By the way do you know that it was Solomon whom God chose to build the Temple because David's hands were full of blood? He wasn't sooo bad after all.
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tycho
#12 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:03:16 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:

Let's agree that God doesn't withdraw his gifts to Man, and despite Solomon's waywardness he could still choose the right thing. But didn't choose. Should he still qualify as 'wise'?


Yes,but Wise for the World.There is such a thing as worldly wisdom which your friend solomon was exhibiting and it worked.

By the way do you know that it was Solomon whom God chose to build the Temple because David's hands were full of blood? He wasn't sooo bad after all.


That would mean that God deliberately denied Solomon the best form of Wisdom.

But now that he was allowed to build the temple was the wisdom worldly? A temple built on worldly foundations?
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kysse
#13 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:45:14 PM
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Shida ni... kuengage tycho smile

tycho wrote:

That would mean that God deliberately denied Solomon the best form of Wisdom.

But now that he was allowed to build the temple was the wisdom worldly? A temple built on worldly foundations?


No, He did not deny him anything.God doesn't dish out half-baked gifts.
The temple wasn't build on worldly foundation because God was the chief Architect.He gave strict instructions on how it should be built,In other words it was built on God's own foundation.

Solomon built the temple not because he had wisdom but because God had prophesied it long ago through his Father David.
Rem that God's word will not return to Him void,It must accomplish what it is sent to do.

Tycho God cannot be fooled either.Solomon was punished by God.

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Even though the Lord, the God of Israel, had appeared to Solomon twice and had commanded him not to worship foreign gods, Solomon did not obey the Lord but turned away from him. So the Lord was angry with Solomon 11 and said to him, “Because you have deliberately broken your covenant with me and disobeyed my commands, I promise that I will take the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your officials. 12 However, for the sake of your father David I will not do this in your lifetime, but during the reign of your son. 13 And I will not take the whole kingdom away from him; instead, I will leave him one tribe for the sake of my servant David and for the sake of Jerusalem, the city I have made my own.”
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tycho
#14 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:06:05 PM
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Your argument runs like this:

Solomon knew how to choose what is right because God gave him the ability to do so. But Solomon deliberately chose not choose rightly. Or, went against wisdom.

Therefore Solomon had no wisdom to start with, or there's something better than wisdom that other gods could provide. And therefore the gods were better than Yahweh.
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kysse
#15 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:14:24 PM
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tycho wrote:
Your argument runs like this:

Solomon knew how to choose what is right because God gave him the ability to do so. But Solomon deliberately chose not choose rightly. Or, went against wisdom.

Therefore Solomon had no wisdom to start with, or there's something better than wisdom that other gods could provide. And therefore the gods were better than Yahweh.


What is wisdom to you?
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tycho
#16 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:20:53 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
Your argument runs like this:

Solomon knew how to choose what is right because God gave him the ability to do so. But Solomon deliberately chose not choose rightly. Or, went against wisdom.

Therefore Solomon had no wisdom to start with, or there's something better than wisdom that other gods could provide. And therefore the gods were better than Yahweh.


What is wisdom to you?


Wisdom, is the ability to make true, and 'balanced' choices with an aim of living and sharing the 'best' life possible.
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kysse
#17 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:44:15 PM
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tycho wrote:

Wisdom, is the ability to make true, and 'balanced' choices with an aim of living and sharing the 'best' life possible.


I think it's having the ability to apply acquired knowledge. Most people are knowledgeable but
wisdom is elusive.
Now back to your question,Solomon had knowledge throughout but he lacked wisdom.
Wisdom imo best applies in situations where judgement is needed.
But knowledge applies where accuracy is required.

Building the temple didn't require his wisdom but knowledge.
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The Clown
#18 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 4:29:50 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:

Wisdom, is the ability to make true, and 'balanced' choices with an aim of living and sharing the 'best' life possible.


I think it's having the ability to apply acquired knowledge. Most people are knowledgeable but
wisdom is elusive.
Now back to your question,Solomon had knowledge throughout but he lacked wisdom.
Wisdom imo best applies in situations where judgement is needed.
But knowledge applies where accuracy is required.

Building the temple didn't require his wisdom but knowledge.


Well put @kysse.
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tycho
#19 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 9:27:28 PM
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The Clown wrote:
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:

Wisdom, is the ability to make true, and 'balanced' choices with an aim of living and sharing the 'best' life possible.


I think it's having the ability to apply acquired knowledge. Most people are knowledgeable but
wisdom is elusive.
Now back to your question,Solomon had knowledge throughout but he lacked wisdom.
Wisdom imo best applies in situations where judgement is needed.
But knowledge applies where accuracy is required.

Building the temple didn't require his wisdom but knowledge.


Well put @kysse.


I find it strange that judgement and accuracy can be separated. Or even knowledge separated from wisdom.
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kysse
#20 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 9:54:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
The Clown wrote:
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:

Wisdom, is the ability to make true, and 'balanced' choices with an aim of living and sharing the 'best' life possible.


I think it's having the ability to apply acquired knowledge. Most people are knowledgeable but
wisdom is elusive.
Now back to your question,Solomon had knowledge throughout but he lacked wisdom.
Wisdom imo best applies in situations where judgement is needed.
But knowledge applies where accuracy is required.

Building the temple didn't require his wisdom but knowledge.


Well put @kysse.


I find it strange that judgement and accuracy can be separated. Or even knowledge separated from wisdom.


well let me give a practical eg

A girl is involved in an accident and is rushed to the hospital by his dad who happens to be suffering from a heart condition and prone to heart attack.
The doctor being a family doc knows the father's condition.

On arrival the girl passes on, as the dad waits for news of her progress.

Now a knowledgeable doctor lacking in wisdom will break the sad news to the father killing him on the spot.

But a knowledgeable, yet full of wisdom doctor will not do such.He will seek to re-assure the father and look for ways of breaking the news to his family.The initial heavy shock will be absorbed by the family.


Wisdom can also seen in offices among bosses eg when breaking news of job dismisal to a needy employee. If the boss doesn't apply wisdom the guy may end up taking his life and that of his family.

Old wazees in the village may lack knowledge, They are not always accurate in their judgments
but their wisdom sustains the community.
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