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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 420 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:We should have a 'no-fault' (is that what its called?) divorce in Kenyan law, ...if two people can't stand each other and go ahead to file for the marriage to be ended, I dont see the point of the law requiring extensive proof of who did what to who, why and when.
wazi wazi...swala nyeti hilo...why must dirty linen be evidence???? to the extent that it has to be manufactured??? nkt!!! Opinion is free, truth is sacred.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Hmmmm ,,,,,,,,,,
So do you foresee a situation in the future when there will be no contradiction?
Aren't you progressing towards perfection? Once perfection is reached, in that perfect place, the highest ideals of man, Godhood, do you foresee existence of contradiction there?
I am thinking that if contradiction will still be there in the perfect place, Godhood, then the implications are that the perfect place, Godhood, has not been reached. Muriel, you are thinking about 'future' and I'm speaking about 'Now'. There's no future to go to. Perhaps an analogy can help. It's said that the universe has more disorder than order. In fact, all order moves to disorder, and is the 'product' of disorder. So disorder reigns, and moves to no future but is always 'Present'. This is the description of the beginning, and is the end. Pure contradiction flowing freely on formlessness. Otherwise there'd be no 'eternity'. The 'end to come in the future' can't be eternal. And we're talking about 'eternity' here.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/7/2011 Posts: 117 Location: Nairobi
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C&P IMAGINATION OF THE DAY...Asumming the Gorvernment asks everybody 2 register their galfrnds/boyfrnds,wives/husbands b4 end of 2013. U obey & register her/him Only 4 machine 2 say "Sorry" the person u r registering has already bn registered! Wat wld u do? Send 2 all ur frnds n get funny answers.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Hmmmm ,,,,,,,,,,
So do you foresee a situation in the future when there will be no contradiction?
Aren't you progressing towards perfection? Once perfection is reached, in that perfect place, the highest ideals of man, Godhood, do you foresee existence of contradiction there?
I am thinking that if contradiction will still be there in the perfect place, Godhood, then the implications are that the perfect place, Godhood, has not been reached. Muriel, you are thinking about 'future' and I'm speaking about 'Now'. There's no future to go to. Perhaps an analogy can help. It's said that the universe has more disorder than order. In fact, all order moves to disorder, and is the 'product' of disorder. So disorder reigns, and moves to no future but is always 'Present'. This is the description of the beginning, and is the end. Pure contradiction flowing freely on formlessness. Otherwise there'd be no 'eternity'. The 'end to come in the future' can't be eternal. And we're talking about 'eternity' here. Ok, I see, But at some point past, the now - that is also called the present - was in the future. And it 'arrived'. Meaning it was 'went' to. Hence the future is to be 'gone' to. It, the future, will arrive. Then, I think it was said wrong. The universe has more order than disorder, not the other way round. Because the disorder means 'no-rules' hence implies subjection, adherence to the 'no-rules' rule. If something were to happen to that rule, the 'no-rules' rule, say it was done away with, or amended or repealed then there would be no 'no-rules' rule and disorder would disappear because it cannot exist and subsist where there is anything other than 'no-rules' hence order would prevail. Order triumphs over disorder because disorder is playing by the rules of order. Hence, progressing to perfection yet there is no future to go to is contradictory. The 'end to come in the future' is also contradictory in compliance to the earlier statement that 'everything is contradictory'. Hence it is eternal. Implying future.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Hmmmm ,,,,,,,,,,
So do you foresee a situation in the future when there will be no contradiction?
Aren't you progressing towards perfection? Once perfection is reached, in that perfect place, the highest ideals of man, Godhood, do you foresee existence of contradiction there?
I am thinking that if contradiction will still be there in the perfect place, Godhood, then the implications are that the perfect place, Godhood, has not been reached. Muriel, you are thinking about 'future' and I'm speaking about 'Now'. There's no future to go to. Perhaps an analogy can help. It's said that the universe has more disorder than order. In fact, all order moves to disorder, and is the 'product' of disorder. So disorder reigns, and moves to no future but is always 'Present'. This is the description of the beginning, and is the end. Pure contradiction flowing freely on formlessness. Otherwise there'd be no 'eternity'. The 'end to come in the future' can't be eternal. And we're talking about 'eternity' here. Ok, I see, But at some point past, the now - that is also called the present - was in the future. And it 'arrived'. Meaning it was 'went' to. Hence the future is to be 'gone' to. It, the future, will arrive. Then, I think it was said wrong. The universe has more order than disorder, not the other way round. Because the disorder means 'no-rules' hence implies subjection, adherence to the 'no-rules' rule. If something were to happen to that rule, the 'no-rules' rule, say it was done away with, or amended or repealed then there would be no 'no-rules' rule and disorder would disappear because it cannot exist and subsist where there is anything other than 'no-rules' hence order would prevail. Order triumphs over disorder because disorder is playing by the rules of order. Hence, progressing to perfection yet there is no future to go to is contradictory. The 'end to come in the future' is also contradictory in compliance to the earlier statement that 'everything is contradictory'. Hence it is eternal. Implying future. 'Disorder' doesn't necessarily imply 'no rules'. In fact it doesn't ever imply that. It implies 'anti rule'. Rules are not only 'subjective' but also finite, and therefore 'not eternal'. 'Anti rule' or disorder can only be infinite and eternal. 'Order' is like Simon Makonde. On Tuesday, Sunday was future. But Tuesday is Sunday when the cycle begins again. Eternity is what's behind and beyond the cycle. 'Anti rule'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Only that ,,,,,
'Anti rule' obtains it's definition and it's existence from 'rule'. Hence it is dependent on 'rule'.
Without 'rule' there is no 'anti rule'. However, the converse might not be reality. 'Rule' can exist without 'anti rule'.
Hence 'anti rule' is finite while 'rule' is infinite.
Simon Makonde therefore becomes, for our purpose, the 'anti rule' while Monday, Tuesday etc becomes the 'rule'. They have been going on before, as and since Makonde died. They are 'eternity'.
Hence we can conclude there is a future, there is order, there is eternity, and ultimately, there will be no contradiction.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Only that ,,,,,
'Anti rule' obtains it's definition and it's existence from 'rule'. Hence it is dependent on 'rule'.
Without 'rule' there is no 'anti rule'. However, the converse might not be reality. 'Rule' can exist without 'anti rule'.
Hence 'anti rule' is finite while 'rule' is infinite.
Simon Makonde therefore becomes, for our purpose, the 'anti rule' while Monday, Tuesday etc becomes the 'rule'. They have been going on before, as and since Makonde died. They are 'eternity'.
Hence we can conclude there is a future, there is order, there is eternity, and ultimately, there will be no contradiction. Yet the 'anti rule', Simon Makonde, is the one making all these observations. That is, he's also the rule. Makonde is contradiction. But perhaps it's not Makonde making these observations. Who is? God? An other? Yet there's contradiction here also. And Makonde comes with every 'Sunday' and dies every Friday. We are in a never ending 'dialectic', and this is 'perfection'. Or rather, perfection is realizing the contradiction. Hence eternity is always in the present.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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When I look into this matter, I realize that what happened to Wairimu and her husband was bound to happen, at least in one form or another.
Marriage can only be between an individual and God. Between two humans, God must not only be forgotten all together, but dehumanization must surely follow. Otherwise, how can pornography be a source of instruction and entertainment for us?
If one was to describe 'a happy marriage', what would he or she say it is? Praise and worship to the most high; and ultimate power and freedom for all? If it were this, then we wouldn't have the soaring cases of divorce and domestic violence. There has never been a happy 'human to human' marriage. Look at what @Mcreggae is saying about marriage; it's about two people and there's no manual. Doesn't that turn marriage into one very selfish and isolationist institution? Is this humanity? And happiness?
I now understand why Christ says that he's come to turn brother against brother, and to tear the family apart.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:When I look into this matter, I realize that what happened to Wairimu and her husband was bound to happen, at least in one form or another.
Marriage can only be between an individual and God. Between two humans, God must not only be forgotten all together, but dehumanization must surely follow. Otherwise, how can pornography be a source of instruction and entertainment for us?
If one was to describe 'a happy marriage', what would he or she say it is? Praise and worship to the most high; and ultimate power and freedom for all? If it were this, then we wouldn't have the soaring cases of divorce and domestic violence. There has never been a happy 'human to human' marriage. Look at what @Mcreggae is saying about marriage; it's about two people and there's no manual. Doesn't that turn marriage into one very selfish and isolationist institution? Is this humanity? And happiness?
I now understand why Christ says that he's come to turn brother against brother, and to tear the family apart.
Dude. Hubris. It appears to me you have lots of it, its the only explanation I can come up with when you make broad, sweeping and absolute statements like the one highlighted. Are you privy to all marriage unions in the history of mankind to determine there has never been a happy one? And lacking thereof, being an mpossibility and all, then what knowledge or qualifications do you possess that makes you comfortable enough to make such a pronouncement? If you are going to front a theory, also include some proof or supporting arguments. And did Christ really say that? Where? Quote the chapter and verse if you don't mind.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:When I look into this matter, I realize that what happened to Wairimu and her husband was bound to happen, at least in one form or another.
Marriage can only be between an individual and God. Between two humans, God must not only be forgotten all together, but dehumanization must surely follow. Otherwise, how can pornography be a source of instruction and entertainment for us?
If one was to describe 'a happy marriage', what would he or she say it is? Praise and worship to the most high; and ultimate power and freedom for all? If it were this, then we wouldn't have the soaring cases of divorce and domestic violence. There has never been a happy 'human to human' marriage. Look at what @Mcreggae is saying about marriage; it's about two people and there's no manual. Doesn't that turn marriage into one very selfish and isolationist institution? Is this humanity? And happiness?
I now understand why Christ says that he's come to turn brother against brother, and to tear the family apart.
Dude. Hubris. It appears to me you have lots of it, its the only explanation I can come up with when you make broad, sweeping and absolute statements like the one highlighted. Are you privy to all marriage unions in the history of mankind to determine there has never been a happy one? And lacking thereof, being an mpossibility and all, then what knowledge or qualifications do you possess that makes you comfortable enough to make such a pronouncement? If you are going to front a theory, also include some proof or supporting arguments. And did Christ really say that? Where? Quote the chapter and verse if you don't mind. Mathew 10:35. That's not a sweeping statement. A 'happy marriage' is either about the two parties involved or about everyone. If it's about the former then it can't be communicated, or even observed by others. If the former, then heaven must have been established. And has it. Matt 19:29 Shows a precondition for such a heavenly Kingdom.
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