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tycho		#61 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:16:21 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived.
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symbols		#62 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:19:26 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived?
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tycho		#63 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:23:36 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver.
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symbols		#64 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:32:12 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it?
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tycho		#65 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 12:40:25 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can?
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symbols		#66 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:01:24 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can.
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tycho		#67 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:38:43 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing.
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symbols		#68 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:42:31 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way?
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tycho		#69 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:24:24 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others.
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symbols		#70 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:35:08 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others. To will yourself into something you think impossible? Does perceiving perception change perception?
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kysse		#71 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 4:28:34 PM
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tycho		#72 Posted : Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:24:46 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others. To will yourself into something you think impossible? Does perceiving perception change perception? Yes. To will yourself against your thought is possible. How to do it is answered in your second question which I paraphrase; 'Does self consciousness change perception'? Yes. It does. Through knowledge and understanding. So the impossible is willed through knowledge and understanding.
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symbols		#73 Posted : Monday, October 21, 2013 11:03:59 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others. To will yourself into something you think impossible? Does perceiving perception change perception? Yes. To will yourself against your thought is possible. How to do it is answered in your second question which I paraphrase; 'Does self consciousness change perception'? Yes. It does. Through knowledge and understanding. So the impossible is willed through knowledge and understanding. Interesting paradox.Impossibility can be overcome with knowledge and understanding but yet it is knowledge and understanding that establishes impossibility.
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tycho		#74 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:15:43 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others. To will yourself into something you think impossible? Does perceiving perception change perception? Yes. To will yourself against your thought is possible. How to do it is answered in your second question which I paraphrase; 'Does self consciousness change perception'? Yes. It does. Through knowledge and understanding. So the impossible is willed through knowledge and understanding. Interesting paradox.Impossibility can be overcome with knowledge and understanding but yet it is knowledge and understanding that establishes impossibility. Insurmountable problems arise when we seek to 'establish' the truth. For who are 'we'? If we are definable and static then we are dead. But if we are definable but in motion then we are alive. Motion is 'dialectic'.
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symbols		#75 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:22:53 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others. To will yourself into something you think impossible? Does perceiving perception change perception? Yes. To will yourself against your thought is possible. How to do it is answered in your second question which I paraphrase; 'Does self consciousness change perception'? Yes. It does. Through knowledge and understanding. So the impossible is willed through knowledge and understanding. Interesting paradox.Impossibility can be overcome with knowledge and understanding but yet it is knowledge and understanding that establishes impossibility. Insurmountable problems arise when we seek to 'establish' the truth. For who are 'we'? If we are definable and static then we are dead. But if we are definable but in motion then we are alive. Motion is 'dialectic'. What is seeking to 'establish' truth?
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tycho		#76 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:49:47 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Tis threefold painful, if bliss is perceived. What isn't perceived? Whatever that is beyond the perceiver. How then does one establish what is beyond perception if one can't perceive it? If you can't. You can't. But what if you think you can't, but in fact you can? What if?You still remain capable.If you can,you can. So perceiving is a function of willing. In what way? If you think you can't, when you really can, then all you have to do is will to become. So perceiveing is an event or element in an infinite set of interlinked elements. Changing one is changing all the others. To will yourself into something you think impossible? Does perceiving perception change perception? Yes. To will yourself against your thought is possible. How to do it is answered in your second question which I paraphrase; 'Does self consciousness change perception'? Yes. It does. Through knowledge and understanding. So the impossible is willed through knowledge and understanding. Interesting paradox.Impossibility can be overcome with knowledge and understanding but yet it is knowledge and understanding that establishes impossibility. Insurmountable problems arise when we seek to 'establish' the truth. For who are 'we'? If we are definable and static then we are dead. But if we are definable but in motion then we are alive. Motion is 'dialectic'. What is seeking to 'establish' truth? Seeking a permanent, fixed, and perfect end.
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symbols		#77 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:58:47 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: Seeking a permanent, fixed, and perfect end. How do you know that is not truth? Even motion is fixed.
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tycho		#78 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 1:58:26 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Seeking a permanent, fixed, and perfect end. How do you know that is not truth? Even motion is fixed. To what statement are you referring to? Who or what is fixing the motion?
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symbols		#79 Posted : Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:07:25 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Seeking a permanent, fixed, and perfect end. How do you know that is not truth? Even motion is fixed. To what statement are you referring to? Who or what is fixing the motion? I'm referring to the seeking to 'establish' truth.Is it possible truth is permanent,fixed and has a perfect end? Who or what is fixing motion,well that steers in subjectivity.But what is our perceived existence if not motion?
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tycho		#80 Posted : Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:18:07 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: tycho wrote: symbols wrote: tycho wrote: Seeking a permanent, fixed, and perfect end. How do you know that is not truth? Even motion is fixed. To what statement are you referring to? Who or what is fixing the motion? I'm referring to the seeking to 'establish' truth.Is it possible truth is permanent,fixed and has a perfect end? Who or what is fixing motion,well that steers in subjectivity.But what is our perceived existence if not motion? Both subjectivity(perception) and objectivity(intention/extension) are engaged in continuous motion and dialectic that engenders 'truth'. Hence truth can never be permanent or have a fixed end.
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