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Am tired of paying rent!
bwenyenye
#21 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 2:54:00 PM
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@TB

Just a quick one before you leave us.

A house (especially your first house) is not something you buy with the main intention of earning from later or now. You pay that much money and opportnity cost just for your peace of mind;that one day,your kids will have the advantage of not having to start from where you did. Just the same reason you want your kids to study more than you did. Just more opportunity for them.Do not look at a house as you would normal investments at the NSE. The view is different and that is why a bank will prefer your home ( more than commercial property)as collateral anyday because they know you will fight for it and ensure you repay the loan. Having your own house gives many the freedom to now risk higher knowing they are covered.

Your first house is not a common good of trade and so really whether it appreciates or not is not the main issue as in normal investments.

Cheers mate!
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omachini
#22 Posted : Friday, June 26, 2009 3:13:00 PM
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@ all,

wonderful talk on sk,

i practice what limuru boy said and would advice same.


the higher the risk,the higher the returns.
Tebes
#23 Posted : Saturday, June 27, 2009 3:52:00 PM
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@ Gordon Gekko

I have always admired Morgage packages and really want one maybe end of the year. Now my biggest setback perhaps is the stammp duty payment fee of 4% of property value.

I live in a rented house of 14k and was actually paying the money direct into the morgage repayment account at kenya-reinsuarance of the landlord until early last year. I used to think,'what If I was repaying my own morgage!!'

Secondly,how do one ensure that the plot he is buying comes from a genuine bona fide owner?

Looking forward for answers from all.

Cheers.


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Marty
#24 Posted : Monday, June 29, 2009 4:35:00 AM
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@Tebes,

To answer you on the plot issue. The easiest and legally binding way (on part of he Government) of confirming the ownership of a property is by way of official search. Another way you can cover yourself is to use a lawyer and ensure that you only pay 10%
of the property and await the seller to get you all the completion docs (Original Title,consent to transfer and their personal docs). You can prepare their final payment and let it be held by a lawyer to be released only after you have transferred the interest of the property in your name( i.e. title in your name). That way,you cover yourself against any serious losses,other than the 10%).

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#25 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 6:15:17 PM
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These words came to mind, typed them into the Wazua search box and see what I dug up...

Read through the thread and you'll agree - Brilliant - no more need be said.
Siringi
#26 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:48:22 PM
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was not sure which of the many property and financial education threads to post this anyhow

=>Nobel Prize winner Robert Shiller's Devastating Takedown Of Housing As An Investment Will Have You Renting For The Rest Of Your Life

Excerpts:
Trish Regan: "Then why buy a home? People trap their savings in a home. They're running an opportunity cost of not having that money liquid to earn a better return in the market. Why do it?"

Robert Shiller: "Absolutely! Housing traditionally is not viewed as a great investment. It takes maintenance, it depreciates, it goes out of style. All of those are problems. And there's technical progress in housing. So, new ones are better...

"So, why was it considered an investment? That was a fad. That was an idea that took hold in the early 2000's. And I don't expect it to come back. Not with the same force. So people might just decide, "Yeah, I'll diversify my portfolio. I'll live in a rental." That is a very sensible thing for many people to do.

"If you think investing in housing is such a great idea, why not invest in cars? Buy a car, mothball it, and sell it in 20 years. Obviously not a good idea because people won't want our cars. It's the same with our houses. So, they're not really an investment vehicle."

=>The Economist Who Just Won a Nobel Prize Thinks Owning a Home Is a Terrible Investment

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Siringi
#27 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:57:05 PM
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"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
Siringi
#28 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:59:09 PM
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"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
Lolest!
#29 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:53:00 PM
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Siringi wrote:

be careful when following these westeners with their home based solutions on real estate. Their reasoning is customised to their real estate sector!
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Lolest!
#30 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:55:37 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
@TB,your argument misses a fundamental point. In Management Accounting we are taught to isolate irrelevant costs when making decisions. Rent is an irrelevant cost as you will pay it whether you rent or buy as you must live somewhere. Therefore your 79K mortgage payment is effectively 79K - 50K = 29K.
My personal experience,I took out one for a 2.2M house in 1999 when the repayment was 28K and the market rent for the area was 12K. Effectively my mortgage was 16K. Five years later,my repayment was still 28K,but the market rent had risen to 19K,making my effective mortgage 9K. Today the market rent is 23K,but I have since cleared the mortgage,so I have a free cash flow.
Skerians,don't fear mortgages,just make sure (like I did) you pay more than the agreed rate. The difference goes straight to the principal payment.
I also urge you to join a pension scheme. With the changes in the budget,you will be able to use your pension savings as security. This theoretically means you don't have to come up with the upfront cash payment required to get started - and this is significant as this can be as high as 1M for a modest house.
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I know this was posted 3 years back but it's great advice!
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:02:36 PM
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Tusker Baridi wrote:


If I had to buy a house in Nai,I would just sit back and rent while saving,this gives one several advantages. First,you wait for the market to cool down. Secondly,you get to save some money which you could use to buy a house cash or build it from scratch. Thirdly,with time there will be more and better housing options at more competitive prices.

4 years down the line have things cooled down?

This reminds me of a friend who is ever complaining that every piece of land he finds is overpriced. Even when he can afford he doesn't buy.

The land doubles in cost and he is always looking forward to saying goodbye to his landlord.

Waiting for too long might leave you like these ladies
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Gathige
#32 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:06:46 PM
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@siringi, thanks for the link. I have downloaded the book "irrational Exuberance" and delving into the meat of it now.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
kaifastus
#33 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:15:20 PM
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Siringi wrote:
was not sure which of the many property and financial education threads to post this anyhow

=>Nobel Prize winner Robert Shiller's Devastating Takedown Of Housing As An Investment Will Have You Renting For The Rest Of Your Life

Excerpts:
Trish Regan: "Then why buy a home? People trap their savings in a home. They're running an opportunity cost of not having that money liquid to earn a better return in the market. Why do it?"

Robert Shiller: "Absolutely! Housing traditionally is not viewed as a great investment. It takes maintenance, it depreciates, it goes out of style. All of those are problems. And there's technical progress in housing. So, new ones are better...

"So, why was it considered an investment? That was a fad. That was an idea that took hold in the early 2000's. And I don't expect it to come back. Not with the same force. So people might just decide, "Yeah, I'll diversify my portfolio. I'll live in a rental." That is a very sensible thing for many people to do.

"If you think investing in housing is such a great idea, why not invest in cars? Buy a car, mothball it, and sell it in 20 years. Obviously not a good idea because people won't want our cars. It's the same with our houses. So, they're not really an investment vehicle."

=>The Economist Who Just Won a Nobel Prize Thinks Owning a Home Is a Terrible Investment

Discuss 50marks



This isn't news,its just being said again & differently, by a Nobel laureate. Unless you want to sneak in rental housing in which case i would disagree. how pple love comparing mangoes and oranges (stocks and real estate). for true stock investors, real estate is always an option (more like having both mangoes and oranges as part of your diet)we would love to also hear from buffet..or perhaps even trump, on housing and real estate!
murchr
#34 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:38:24 PM
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Siringi wrote:


His Co-winner, negates his argument, then the other winner created a mathematical solution that proved them right. You have to understand economists never get answers to the questions they raise because the bottom line is the dynamics are always different.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Mukiri
#35 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:57:18 AM
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It makes sense to me to pay rent.... TO MYSELF!

If I'm paying 50k as rent, why not take a mortgage and pay the same 50k? If I get tired of the house, sell it get my '50ks' and get another house/investment?

Their idea would only hold if one was buying a house in lump-sum cash and there were 'better' assured investment vehicles. In which case, it would be prudent to invest in such and use the return to buy a house.

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webish
#36 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:05:18 AM
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Very very interesting discussion. Would love to know how @Kave is doing, 4-5yrs down the line.

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rico14
#37 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:25:42 PM
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Let me revive this since it has been 5 years. How is everyone doing considering how the mortgage has been going?
tom_boy
#38 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 11:50:33 AM
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Buying/ owning a house is the most decent investment one can make in their early to mid life. The advantages far outweigh renting if you have the long term horizon of 30 to 40 yrs in mind.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
tom_boy
#39 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 12:51:38 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Buying/ owning a house is the most decent investment one can make in their early to mid life. The advantages far outweigh renting if you have the long term horizon of 30 to 40 yrs in mind.


After crunching the numbers, I conclude that above statement is utterly false and mortgage is the biggest drain on investment ever.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
kayhara
#40 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 1:22:45 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
Buying/ owning a house is the most decent investment one can make in their early to mid life. The advantages far outweigh renting if you have the long term horizon of 30 to 40 yrs in mind.


After crunching the numbers, I conclude that above statement is utterly false and mortgage is the biggest drain on investment ever.

Renting in early life is okay, what I hate about renting is that I am limited to what I can invest into the house eg I would like to do solar and water harvesting but it's not possible, I would like to do kitchen gardening but not possible, I would like to do some messy wood and metal DIY projects but I can't, I would like to clean my car they way I like but I can't, but no worries most of my clients building their dream houses are in their late 40s and 50s , very few of my age mates or those between 25-30 have built their houses, they might have plots but the house is off until kids grow up or family stabilizes.
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