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kysse
#51 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 10:14:42 AM
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tycho wrote:
For example, Kysse where can I find Christ? Tell me please.


Don't search, just get lost and He will find you.

As regards the rest.Hapo ndipo nguvu imenifikisha.
We shall talk.
Muriel
#52 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 10:22:11 AM
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Tycho and Kysse, I just love your discussion. I envy this bond you have between yourselves.

May I?

The beginning and the end are true. And we consistently see ' a chosen people.'

Why are both of you racking your heads over what was done in Exodus 34?

What transpired there is clearly explained in Deuteronomy 5. I thought from Exodus 34 you would not stop reading ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Anyway!

Someone mentioned contradictions? There is no contradiction, I found none.

There are however 2 apparent contradictions between Exodus 20 and Deut 5 to the casual reader who would typically read a handful of verses or at most a chapter before getting 'tired' ,,,,,, (and moving off to 'more interesting' endeavors).

Muriel
#53 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 10:23:52 AM
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First apparent contradiction

In Exodus 20 the mount is Sinai yet in Deut 5 the mount is Horeb.

But they are the same mount, just different names. That is according to Jewish scholars and we have no reason to doubt them. Jewish encyclopaedia

Mark that solved. cleared. Next.

Second apparent contradiction

The 4th commandment in Exodus 20 gives the reason as "......for in 6 days the lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is and rested the seventh day, wherefore the lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."

In Deut 5 the reason is ....."and remember that thou was a servant in the land of Egypt and that the lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched arm, therefore the lord commanded thee to keep the sabbath day."

So which one?

Both!

The sabbath was to be kept for 2 reasons; (1) remembering creation and (2) remembering redemption.

That is why Isaiah (Isaiah 66) talks about keeping the sabbath in the context of new heavens and new earth and the final deliverance, redemption of 'a chosen people' who shall go forth and look at the carcases of men that have transgressed.

And John (in Rev 21) also talks about this when he discusses a new heaven and new earth (creation) and a new city in which 'a chosen people' which shall have been saved, delivered, redeemed will congregate in. He defines these 'chosen people' as those who keep the commandments within the same book.

This common peculiar thread cannot then be so easily missed. This thread that runs from the beginning, the middle and the end of the bible as it were. Only by reading this book with a more analytical mind will we find Christ.

Can this be marked solved? I feel like making a hasty exit. Excuse me, please.




Back to the musical 'evangelist' ,,,,,,,,, Disgusting! Not-surprising! Expected! Shameful! Noise!
tycho
#54 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 10:33:58 AM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
For example, Kysse where can I find Christ? Tell me please.


Don't search, just get lost and He will find you.

As regards the rest.Hapo ndipo nguvu imenifikisha.
We shall talk.


If we 'get lost' while seeking, then he'll surely find us. For seeking is clear. It's denying ourselves and taking our Cross daily, and following him.
tycho
#55 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 11:17:55 AM
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Muriel, I'll 'allow' your hasty exit. But, don't fear contradiction. Contradictions are good things. The chosen people are a contradiction. They contradict the 'unchosen'. A God who, 'hated' Esau, but 'loved' Jacob, is a God of Contradiction.

I have had to read Exodus 20 and 34 thrice now, and the difference I see is Exodus 20, the Chosen people are given what I may call 'severe injunctions' against murder, and many things. When you get to Chapter 34, you find Moses pleading with God, after a great disappointment. God shows his mercy to the people and writes more about festivals, and sacrifices, and ritual.

To my 'goggles' this is another contradiction with a powerful truth. If we deny this contradiction then we take ourselves to be stronger and even more justified than Moses, who broke the Commandments first.

The Pharisees tried to be beyond contradiction, but even Nicodemus had to go to the Christ and ask some few questions.

But even now we are denying the contradiction in ourselves by wearing masks that are unbearable. Look at what this thread is about, or what we are about. Gorky has an essay describing Man when alone, professors are 'lunatics'. Like someone tried to grab a picture from a book and put it in his pocket.

But I see no need to even speak about the musician. It's so futile.
Impunity
#56 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 11:31:48 AM
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kysse wrote:
kumepambazuka


RAO would say "kumePAMBAuka"

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Muriel
#57 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:39:35 PM
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Tycho, thank you for allowing my hasty exit yesterday.

I was thinking that saying God is a God of contradiction is a contradiction. Yes.

You are shifting personality from the human being, making him not a person but an automaton.

Behaviors, temperaments, emotions and mentality that define and characterize a unique individual contributes to decisions made by the person.

Hence a person can decide to hate God.

Shifting all this responsibility to God dehumanizes the person and is a negation, destruction of the human being.

It is killing the human being.
tycho
#58 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:14:00 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Tycho, thank you for allowing my hasty exit yesterday.

I was thinking that saying God is a God of contradiction is a contradiction. Yes.

You are shifting personality from the human being, making him not a person but an automaton.

Behaviors, temperaments, emotions and mentality that define and characterize a unique individual contributes to decisions made by the person.

Hence a person can decide to hate God.

Shifting all this responsibility to God dehumanizes the person and is a negation, destruction of the human being.

It is killing the human being.


Everything, is a contradiction. Once you see 'no contradiction' then you become one with eyes but can't see.

Whenever you think of 'God', remember that you are talking about the highest ideals of Man. By 'shifting responsibility to God', I am calling upon our highest nature that reduces, and defeats the power of our lower and wicked nature.

Muriel
#59 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:53:01 PM
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Hmmmm ,,,,,,,,,,

So do you foresee a situation in the future when there will be no contradiction?

Aren't you progressing towards perfection? Once perfection is reached, in that perfect place, the highest ideals of man, Godhood, do you foresee existence of contradiction there?

I am thinking that if contradiction will still be there in the perfect place, Godhood, then the implications are that the perfect place, Godhood, has not been reached.
kysse
#60 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:56:52 PM
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