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Coop Bank - Stocksmaster's 1st Play 2013
Ericsson
#211 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 2:56:30 PM
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@Obiero;
The bank will need in one way or another need additional capital for the regional expansion.
the issue is not liquidity but how many shares u hold.
With time the growth in the bank and rise in profits will prove the liquidity like what safaricom has done.
And once mopping will be complete getting a handful of the shares will be a hard task like Barclays bank
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obiero
#212 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 8:30:45 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero;
The bank will need in one way or another need additional capital for the regional expansion.
the issue is not liquidity but how many shares u hold.
With time the growth in the bank and rise in profits will prove the liquidity like what safaricom has done.
And once mopping will be complete getting a handful of the shares will be a hard task like Barclays bank

@ericsson are you suggesting that buying or selling barclays shares is difficult? wewe unachukulia watu aje hapa?

obiero
#213 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 8:32:18 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Obiero;
The bank will need in one way or another need additional capital for the regional expansion.
the issue is not liquidity but how many shares u hold.
With time the growth in the bank and rise in profits will prove the liquidity like what safaricom has done.
And once mopping will be complete getting a handful of the shares will be a hard task like Barclays bank

@ericsson are you suggesting that buying or selling barclays shares is difficult? wewe unachukulia watu aje hapa? did u see what happened to KQ on the right's issue.. granted, for example in KCB and HFCK's case, you have a point, but it is half-baked!

Realtreaty
#214 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 8:45:48 PM
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You could be right but you are uite wrong. Rights issue cannot be introduced in a liquid market as it creates unfavourable conditions (flooding) The best game is to withhold much of the dividend though it seem to hurt the investor but at the end there is a quick capital gain. You never introduce rights issue at the final quarter of an year as this will distabilise the focus. Rights issue are introduce in an illiquid market to create more shares to trade at the same time to use the money to fund expansion or increase equity. Not ll right issues are taken as people may not have money to cash on the abit lower price offer but new investors are allowed to take the untaken shares. The actul book value of Coop Bank stock is 24 to 30 kes and introducing rights may push it back to 15 Kes.
VituVingiSana
#215 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 9:08:05 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
The actul book value of Coop Bank stock is 24 to 30 kes and introducing rights may push it back to 15 Kes.
> Really? Wow! I assume you are buying the shares like crazy considering they are trading substantially below the Book Value you have calculated. Banks trading below BV are very rare. How did you calculate your BV?
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Ericsson
#216 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:13:14 AM
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@Obiero;when I said a handful of shares I meant Barclays has 5.5Billion worth of issued shares and that is the second highest in the nse.try putting a buy order of 10million shares we see if u will be able to get.That is what I meant.
For KQ it was a flop because the financial performance of the airline has been going down i.e profits tumbling.
KCB and HFCK are good examples because investors have been able to see their return on investments.
So the problem should not be the liquidity but the return on investment.
And when they do the rights issue shares to be issued will be around 600m.

@Realtreaty;yes they can withold as much dividend but that will not be sustainable or feasible coz they would like to embark on their regional expansion asap like having a branch in all the states in South Sudan as they had indicated when they were launching the subsudiary there,going to uganda,tanzania and rwanda.
The bank was to do a rights issue in 2011/2012 but twas put on hold because of the poor performance of the NSE which hindered the right price discovery.
Rights issue are normally done when the NSE is on a bull run that's why CFC Stanbic,DTB,NIC and Stanchart did their rights issues last year.
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Hunderwear
#217 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:28:34 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
The actul book value of Coop Bank stock is 24 to 30 kes and introducing rights may push it back to 15 Kes.
> Really? Wow! I assume you are buying the shares like crazy considering they are trading substantially below the Book Value you have calculated. Banks trading below BV are very rare. How did you calculate your BV?


You might need to confirm that coz last I checked only cfc bank was below its NAV i.e banks
mypesa
#218 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:42:04 PM
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Coop has traded at 17-17.30 range for so long . What's the likely move down or up . So much resistance
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mlennyma
#219 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:42:50 PM
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The demand below is more than the supply above so,a break upward likely.
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obiero
#220 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:58:05 PM
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coop should smash KES 20 on results announcement

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