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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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butterflyke wrote:quicksand wrote:We should have a 'no-fault' (is that what its called?) divorce in Kenyan law, ...if two people can't stand each other and go ahead to file for the marriage to be ended, I dont see the point of the law requiring extensive proof of who did what to who, why and when.
i agree but chida comes when people have to gawana 'vikombe na vitambaa' I agree, but this is secondary to the dissolution of the marriage and can be handled by procedures and legal mechanics. What do I mean? A court can separate a divorce case into distinct issues - the union itself, property, care of dependants e.t.c and issue separate rulings in a staggered, sequential fashion. For instance, it can declare a couple divorced at the earliest possible opportunity so that they can go ahead to be together with their new loved ones - then put a freeze on disposal or acquisition of assets until a determination of how to split them is made later. Alternatively, the assets arbitration can be made to be the first benchmark- ergo, you can only commence divorce proceedings if you draw up and present a legally binding agreement on sharing of assets. We need a fresh take on this.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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mawinder wrote:It had to be Wairimu who wants her husband's property.It is okay coz at least she didnt take him to Makueni like the others. No Mawinder she is not after money/property.She is after what they aquired together. After all she is wealthy in her own right. The difference between Wairimus and the non Wairimus is this---- Wairimus work hard for joint property, they do not take shyt for long, they know when a relationship is dead and do not linger on hoping it will resurrect,they are not ashamed to say when its dead and they have courage to start afresh. Those who take guys to Makueni are few and scaterred and their issues if you listen are usually very deep.Its not usually property though its part of it.There is always dogging, mistreatment, humiliation, disrespect, in-laws, her own property being misused by the man etc. Again dont base your judgement on the bad stories that appear in the press about Wairimus....there are numerous success stories on Wairimus but you never get to hear them. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,334 Location: Masada
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Bigchick wrote:mawinder wrote:It had to be Wairimu who wants her husband's property.It is okay coz at least she didnt take him to Makueni like the others. No Mawinder she is not after money/property.She is after what they aquired together. After all she is wealthy in her own right. The difference between Wairimus and the non Wairimus is this---- Wairimus work hard for joint property, they do not take shyt for long, they know when a relationship is dead and do not linger on hoping it will resurrect,they are not ashamed to say when its dead and they have courage to start afresh. Those who take guys to Makueni are few and scaterred and their issues if you listen are usually very deep.Its not usually property though its part of it.There is always dogging, mistreatment, humiliation, disrespect, in-laws, her own property being misused by the man etc. Again dont base your judgement on the bad stories that appear in the press about Wairimus.... there are numerous success stories on Wairimus but you never get to hear them. Care to give examples mate?  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Bigchick are you justifying crime,no?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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quicksand wrote:butterflyke wrote:quicksand wrote:We should have a 'no-fault' (is that what its called?) divorce in Kenyan law, ...if two people can't stand each other and go ahead to file for the marriage to be ended, I dont see the point of the law requiring extensive proof of who did what to who, why and when.
i agree but chida comes when people have to gawana 'vikombe na vitambaa' I agree, but this is secondary to the dissolutio  n of the marriage and can be handled by procedures and legal mechanics. What do I mean? A court can separate a divorce case into distinct issues - the union itself, property, care of dependants e.t.c and issue separate rulings in a staggered, sequential fashion. For instance, it can declare a couple divorced at the earliest possible opportunity so that they can go ahead to be together with their new loved ones - then put a freeze on disposal or acquisition of assets until a determination of how to split them is made later. Alternatively, the assets arbitration can be made to be the first benchmark- ergo, you can only commence divorce proceedings if you draw up and present a legally binding agreement on sharing of assets. We need a fresh take on this. This i like.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Impunity wrote:Bigchick wrote:mawinder wrote:It had to be Wairimu who wants her husband's property.It is okay coz at least she didnt take him to Makueni like the others. No Mawinder she is not after money/property.She is after what they aquired together. After all she is wealthy in her own right. The difference between Wairimus and the non Wairimus is this---- Wairimus work hard for joint property, they do not take shyt for long, they know when a relationship is dead and do not linger on hoping it will resurrect,they are not ashamed to say when its dead and they have courage to start afresh. Those who take guys to Makueni are few and scaterred and their issues if you listen are usually very deep.Its not usually property though its part of it.There is always dogging, mistreatment, humiliation, disrespect, in-laws, her own property being misused by the man etc. Again dont base your judgement on the bad stories that appear in the press about Wairimus.... there are numerous success stories on Wairimus but you never get to hear them. Care to give examples mate? Hope this will suffice-----Mrs Grace Nyachae Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Ngong wrote:Bigchick are you justifying crime,no? No no no....All am saying is do not look at all Wairimus thru the same lense. Also those who have murdered are cases beyond me and you.We never know what happened. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:We should have a 'no-fault' (is that what its called?) divorce in Kenyan law, ...if two people can't stand each other and go ahead to file for the marriage to be ended, I dont see the point of the law requiring extensive proof of who did what to who, why and when.
Does a 'no fault' divorce imply a 'no reason' marriage? Or is it that the marriage had a reason but somehow the parties involved come to realize that the marriage in itself, can't supply their objectives? The latter is closer to the mark. The law's only concern is that two people have mutually consented to divorce - the why - actually, everything else is irrelevant. It does seem like a trivialization of the institute of marriage, but the law itself has no dog in this fight - it can't prevent marriages from going bad, and it doesn't make bad unions better by requiring tall proofs and long procedures, it was scarcely involved when two people joined up, not involved either when it all unravels. Essentially, marriage is a contract of sorts between two people, similar in many ways to normal business contracts. The law has awarded itself powers to terminate this, even when some marriages are done under auspicies of religion and thus deemed holy covenants, just with a caveat of a long, drawn out procedure. It is an unnecessary intrusion. The law does not fuss about when two business parties consent to mutually dissolve a contract and it should be the same in a marriage. This deterrence thing is really pointless and just hurts people. If two consenting adults can agree to be married, and later wish to dissolve the marriage, even on a no-fault basis; and especially if the dissolution wasn't intended from the beginning, then even the Laws and making of law becomes questionable, and without value. The Law is a marriage in itself; but a marriage between who and who? If it's a covenant among humans, then in this case no one will even trust or use them. Again, such a perspective would need a government that's not only alienated from the people, but one that is dehumanized. It's like the plot in 'I, robot'. Sophistication leads to a different kind of intelligence that seeks revolution. Even in the movie humans achieve a revolution that affirms humanity and purpose. But present attempts to prevent divorce aren't helpful either. This leaves us with one option; create a new Man and City that will meet 'their' needs and fill them with hope.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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A Woman Caught in Adultery 8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd. 4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?” 6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust. 9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?” 11 “No, Lord,” she said. And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.” Wapi Akina @mukiri when you need them.? "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/16/2010 Posts: 158 Location: world
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Why are guys just looking at the woman's side. Both the Bishop and his wife are alleged to have committed adultery.
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