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A HR puzzle, assist
newcomer
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 11:58:05 AM
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Two faces of one of my staff, actually my manager.
a
1) Very hard working
2) Very punctual and closes very late
3) Very committed to clients works, finishes on time and contacts client.
4) Very eager to learn new things, especially the ones she has seen me do. We do KRA returns for VAT every month, income tax and other KRA tasks. The others can only handle registration of new clients whereas she is able to handle all other issues.
5) Very accurate
6) Very passionate about her job.
7) Highly displined financially, very honest. She is known in the bank more than me and can even be served when cheque has issues.

b
1) Very poor team player. Will only get instructions from me and cannot consult colleagues.
2)Very poor sales lady. To her, you brought work and if you are not decided, just go back.
3) You must pay upfront, no matter how regular you are.
4) Very harsh to customers, especially those who do not want to follow her ways. To her, customer is rarery right. She intimidtates
5) She does care whoever people are. She intimidates very senior people in both corporates and government.
6)She easily irritates clients not used to her. Some go never to come back, some inform me about it but still vanish.


I have had this employee since 2009. My customers have told me on the face that they will never come back she she is there. Others will come but cannot be served by her.
My business is expanding and I need a competent manager, but it is difficult to bring somebody when she is there.
Do I keep this girl or what do I do with her? my is a small enterprise with only three permanent employees. What would you do.?





McReggae
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:03:11 PM
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Seems you are a philanthropist otherwise hapa hakuna swali!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Angelica _ann
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:10:18 PM
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Do you have at least these 2 tools of HRM; job description/job profile and performance management system/performance appraisal. Would have sorted you out by now.

But on the face of it, let her go/leave.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Foz00
#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:36:54 PM
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Simple - back office, zero intetactions with client. She/colleagues MUST learn to work with each other. I am sure you know how hard it is to get good competent employees, which according to part a she is. Soft skills musamehe
Oooh new manager doesn't get the title.
mawinder
#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:46:47 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Seems you are a philanthropist otherwise hapa hakuna swali!!!!

You have to see that she is a lady and has been tolerated for years.I see someone eats fish.
2012
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 12:58:53 PM
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Attitude first. If the person deals with other humans then attitude is key. Can she get a back office job? If not she'll do the org more harm than good.

BBI will solve it
:)
muganda
#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:47:50 PM
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Oh @newcomer this is one and the same face. The personality type has oftentimes been referred to as reds (choleric-phlegmatic). Quite competent as an Expert ruling by logic and expertise, she's an individual contributor who leads through commanding/pacesetting.

She's very good at attention to detail and getting the job done; but poor at delegating/coaching/forging consensus/collaborating. If she's committed to personal growth, it's possible to transform her leadership style by emphasizing results through flexibility rather than through one right method used in one right way.
http://classes.bus.oregonstate....ns%20of%20Leadership.ppt


But the Achiever in you and your business may not have the time for it. So she refuses to change, you side-line her, and the end is inevitable...

Euge
#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:11:33 PM
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She should have left a long time ago.Make one of your clients pick a fight with her and that will give you grounds for summary dismissal. Then pay your client for a job well done.
smile
Lord, thank you!
chemos
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:16:16 PM
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mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Seems you are a philanthropist otherwise hapa hakuna swali!!!!

You have to see that she is a lady and has been tolerated for years.I see someone eats fish.



EXACTMENT!!!!!.. and the fish seems to sweet to be finished....

Robinhood
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:07:44 PM
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You can always get someone to do paper pushing at the back office. It is difficult to get someone who makes your customers want to come back. Unless the fish...
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
newcomer
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:12:08 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Do you have at least these 2 tools of HRM; job description/job profile and performance management system/performance appraisal. Would have sorted you out by now.

But on the face of it, let her go/leave.

I wish I could develop the tools. I have never been to a HR class but if I got some samples, i could align them to my work. I they would give me a structured way to deal with my staff, even to dismiss them.
newcomer
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:19:34 PM
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Foz00 wrote:
Simple - back office, zero intetactions with client. She/colleagues MUST learn to work with each other. I am sure you know how hard it is to get good competent employees, which according to part a she is. Soft skills musamehe
Oooh new manager doesn't get the title.

Previously, I have been offering computer services and supply of computers, ink and cartridges to schools but I recently moved to a good location and I am now opening to the general public. An option I am considering is that of backroom operations so that she can deal with specific tasks. I hope it will assist, but the challenge might be space.
newcomer
#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:24:37 PM
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Euge wrote:
She should have left a long time ago.Make one of your clients pick a fight with her and that will give you grounds for summary dismissal. Then pay your client for a job well done.
smile

This is funny, looks sadistic, but I agree, it is the easiest for me. "Mungu na aninjaze roho niweze kumshinda shetani"
newcomer
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:42:14 PM
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muganda wrote:
Oh @newcomer this is one and the same face. The personality type has oftentimes been referred to as reds (choleric-phlegmatic). Quite competent as an Expert ruling by logic and expertise, she's an individual contributor who leads through commanding/pacesetting.

She's very good at attention to detail and getting the job done; but poor at delegating/coaching/forging consensus/collaborating. If she's committed to personal growth, it's possible to transform her leadership style by emphasizing results through flexibility rather than through one right method used in one right way.
http://classes.bus.oregonstate....ns%20of%20Leadership.ppt


But the Achiever in you and your business may not have the time for it. So she refuses to change, you side-line her, and the end is inevitable...


Thanks a lot, the article is a good read. I see myself more as a diplomat, I thinks this is one of my limitations
muganda
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:54:08 PM
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newcomer wrote:
Thanks a lot, the article is a good read. I see myself more as a diplomat, I thinks this is one of my limitations


Welcome @newcomer, I must say though if you believe you are a Diplomat, do not lose the Expert in her, not if she's 7/10 good. Patiently work on the issues together using some of the HRM tools suggested by @Angelica_ann. It will pay off for your business in the long run.

Look at it this way...
* how much do those customers upset with her contribute, say 20%?
* would you rather have a distracted-average performer likeable to all your customers? 100% customers happy, is it even possible?

newcomer
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:19:09 PM
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@muganda, actually most of the problematic customers, especially those not eager to pay promptly are the ones with serous issues with her. Many take advantage so that they by pass her and deal with me directly because they know they will coax me to accept lower prices and credit.
Swenani
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:55:16 AM
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newcomer wrote:
Two faces of one of my staff, actually my manager.
a
1) Very hard working
2) Very punctual and closes very late
3) Very committed to clients works, finishes on time and contacts client.
4) Very eager to learn new things, especially the ones she has seen me do. We do KRA returns for VAT every month, income tax and other KRA tasks. The others can only handle registration of new clients whereas she is able to handle all other issues.
5) Very accurate
6) Very passionate about her job.
7) Highly displined financially, very honest. She is known in the bank more than me and can even be served when cheque has issues.

b
1) Very poor team player. Will only get instructions from me and cannot consult colleagues.
2)Very poor sales lady. To her, you brought work and if you are not decided, just go back.
3) You must pay upfront, no matter how regular you are.
4) Very harsh to customers, especially those who do not want to follow her ways. To her, customer is rarery right. She intimidtates
5) She does care whoever people are. She intimidates very senior people in both corporates and government.
6)She easily irritates clients not used to her. Some go never to come back, some inform me about it but still vanish.


I have had this employee since 2009. My customers have told me on the face that they will never come back she she is there. Others will come but cannot be served by her.
My business is expanding and I need a competent manager, but it is difficult to bring somebody when she is there.
Do I keep this girl or what do I do with her? my is a small enterprise with only three permanent employees. What would you do.?








She is an outstanding accounts/finance person...Move her to finance or accounts
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
mb'oss
#18 Posted : Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:58:26 AM
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newcomer wrote:
@muganda, actually most of the problematic customers, especially those not eager to pay promptly are the ones with serous issues with her. Many take advantage so that they by pass her and deal with me directly because they know they will coax me to accept lower prices and credit.


You need her to get money for such as these customers


Life's for the living
newcomer
#19 Posted : Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:00 AM
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Thanks all for wonderful contributions. Much as I find myself stupid to keep this girl, I also find her very useful. Before she came, I had serous problems with deadlines. We are advertising agents for rms we have to submit returns every month. Before she came, I had to do to work out the returns myself and with so many other tasks, I would always be late. Since she came, she took over the role and many others.
Much as I find her a headache, I will try the option of a backroom administrator, to handle all records and customers who may not be very sensitive. However, this will only be possible if we grow at the pace I am now expecting, so that there will be enough work. I really pray for this to happen
hindi ni riu
#20 Posted : Monday, October 14, 2013 5:18:21 PM
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Based on the face value...I think you are more afraid of the unknown (if you let her go), than whether to keep her. Attitude is the one most important aspect on an employee...you can teach/hire the skills . Think of this way...in 2 years time, will you have the customers? Your key in growth is having customers and anything/anyone jeopardizing this is in effect a cost rather than an asset. Taking her to backoffice is rather transferring a problem than solving it. My 2 cents: Invest in her training and see if she can change...if she cant, grow some balls and take the fire decision, unless ofcourse the balls are somehow involved.

“Once the last tree is cut and the last river poisoned,you will find you cannot eat your money" Traditional saying.
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