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I like Adventists. They have a department called Health and Temperance. Basically what they teach is what you would pay your nutritionist to teach you. I initially knew little about them, and used to say they dont want pple to eat meat, take tea etc...but I later learnt that it is not a rule but an advice and a strong recommendation to eat healthy and live healthy. They call doctors and health professionals on some days to talk specifically about health. The last i attended was about breast cancer and a number of pple benefited Kudos on that "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Um Sayala wrote:I like Adventists. They have a department called Health and Temperance. Basically what they teach is what you would pay your nutritionist to teach you.
I initially knew little about them, and used to say they dont want pple to eat meat, take tea etc...but I later learnt that it is not a rule but an advice and a strong recommendation to eat healthy and live healthy.
They call doctors and health professionals on some days to talk specifically about health. The last i attended was about breast cancer and a number of pple benefited
Kudos on that Yes. I like them for this too. There were similar discussions by a Dr. Daniel Ganu during camp some weeks ago. Quite interesting. Maka, its not a competition, just a discussion, you know, sharing ideas, certainly a not mine-is-better-than-yours kind of thing. Anyway, I found something else that made me chuckle from chapter 38 of Adventist home. Quote:The father frequently comes in with a self-satisfied air and proudly recounts what he has accomplished through the day. His remarks show that now he must be waited upon by the mother for she has not done much except take care of the children, cook the meals and keep the house in order. She has not acted the merchant, bought nor sold, she has not acted the farmer in tilling the soil, she has not acted the mechanic therefore she has done nothing to make her weary. He criticizes and censures and dictates as though he was the lord of creation. Thats a right one to the husbands' chin, as it were. lol.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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CLK, CLK!
Ma'am,
I was there on 5th and spent the whole day with them. I dressed casually and I saw many had their formal attire but none spoke with me save a friendly not-so-young man who sat next to me who asked me my name, where I come from etc and appeared mighty interested in my answers.
They have definitely not changed. Its still the good ol' same Maxwell.
I even saw a young lady in a skirt reaching just above her knees a lot like the netball skirts and, in the afternoon, I saw her go up to the front to put a note in a box. What I did not see was her uncomfortable or being glared at.
Then it was announced that next week 'we' are going to Newlife that is 'across the road'. Now I know 'across the road' is the police station.
Anyway, so far so good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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Am here, interesting stuff, i have no idea where to start from. coincidentally most Seventh Day Adventists are Kisiis, and most households in that region grow tea, why would they preach to people not to take beverages and want to make money from the same harmful stuff? Coincidentally last week was holy communion, i happened to be in church that day, and the person who preached that day did a fantastic job, he said holy communion is not for the saints, but for the sinners, i took holy communion for the first time in a decade. I happened to be going for a meeting that morning and wore some jewellery, so i found myself in church with the earrings and necklace, did i have intentions of wearing them inside the church? No. Was my intention to attract someone or some attention in particular? No. But then somehow wearing them makes me feel good and happy at the end of the day whether in church or not, will they make someone sin,, maybe yes maybe not. i believe in everyone taking control of their thoughts, words and deeds, you can choose to ignore something altogether, but if you choose to think otherwise problem is yours. Adventist families are not different from other regular families, so expect to find all the issues faced by other homes in those homes, however the church will expect the pastor's house to be inorder, because this is what the pastor is teaching at the pulpit, if it is not in order, there is trouble, they will point fingers. Reason why i wouldn't want to go near anything that is likely to get me some kind of responsibility in charge, i just fear fingers being pointed my way, considering am a liberal. Wrong, New Life is a segment of the Seventh Day Adventist church, somewhere on Ngong road, never been there, i was however made to understand its for the liberals like me.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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Muriel wrote:The Adventist Home. Quite interesting but could not find where this subject is described explicitly. chapter 55 'Moral Standards' there is mention of 'Both men and women must keep their place and live above reproach' - that the mind of a man or woman does not come down in a moment from purity and holiness to depravity, corruption and crime so by beholding you become changed. So women professing the truth to keep strict guard over themselves lest the least encouragement be given to unwarrantable familiarity. Halafu 'women must hold high standard of conduct' - she may have had no unlawful purpose or motive but she has given encouragement to men who are tempted and who need all the help they can get from those associated with them. lol ati Quote:they (some women) are not all circumspect in their deportment as becoming women professing godliness. Their words are not as select and well chosen as those of women who have received the grace of God should be. They are too familiar with their brethren. They linger around them, incline toward them and seem to choose their society. They are highly gratified with their attention. I think that whereas each one has a duty to control his thoughts, others must help him by doing their part by avoiding to lay a 'trap' for him. CLK, CLK, are you still around or you have gone? then brethren must be sinning left right center considering the way people dress in Nairobi, and we have no way of controlling how people dress, but we can control how we feel or what we do when we see those skimpily dressed, right? then we can welcome them into the church and teach them how to dress, right? but not by first judging and pointing fingers at them. Sometimes back i saw a single mother preach in church, not sure the circumstances that led to her being single, but i must say that church has evolved, positively. Back in the day, for you to serve in the church, your entire family tree had to be looked into. the church manual is helping a lot, considering back in the day it used to be almost at the discretion of the lead pastor to run his church whichever way he saw best
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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Muriel wrote:Um Sayala wrote:I like Adventists. They have a department called Health and Temperance. Basically what they teach is what you would pay your nutritionist to teach you.
I initially knew little about them, and used to say they dont want pple to eat meat, take tea etc...but I later learnt that it is not a rule but an advice and a strong recommendation to eat healthy and live healthy.
They call doctors and health professionals on some days to talk specifically about health. The last i attended was about breast cancer and a number of pple benefited
Kudos on that Yes. I like them for this too. There were similar discussions by a Dr. Daniel Ganu during camp some weeks ago. Quite interesting. Maka, its not a competition, just a discussion, you know, sharing ideas, certainly a not mine-is-better-than-yours kind of thing. Anyway, I found something else that made me chuckle from chapter 38 of Adventist home. Quote:The father frequently comes in with a self-satisfied air and proudly recounts what he has accomplished through the day. His remarks show that now he must be waited upon by the mother for she has not done much except take care of the children, cook the meals and keep the house in order. She has not acted the merchant, bought nor sold, she has not acted the farmer in tilling the soil, she has not acted the mechanic therefore she has done nothing to make her weary. He criticizes and censures and dictates as though he was the lord of creation. Thats a right one to the husbands' chin, as it were. lol. This is why the likes of me run and do not look back when we come across single Adventist men, chauvinism is part of them, they possess the holier than though attitude and the women they marry are supposed to be angels, hell am not one of those
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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CLK wrote:Am here, interesting stuff, i have no idea where to start from. coincidentally most Seventh Day Adventists are Kisiis, and most households in that region grow tea, why would they preach to people not to take beverages and want to make money from the same harmful stuff?
Coincidentally last week was holy communion, i happened to be in church that day, and the person who preached that day did a fantastic job, he said holy communion is not for the saints, but for the sinners, i took holy communion for the first time in a decade. I happened to be going for a meeting that morning and wore some jewellery, so i found myself in church with the earrings and necklace, did i have intentions of wearing them inside the church? No. Was my intention to attract someone or some attention in particular? No. But then somehow wearing them makes me feel good and happy at the end of the day whether in church or not, will they make someone sin,, maybe yes maybe not. i believe in everyone taking control of their thoughts, words and deeds, you can choose to ignore something altogether, but if you choose to think otherwise problem is yours.
Adventist families are not different from other regular families, so expect to find all the issues faced by other homes in those homes, however the church will expect the pastor's house to be inorder, because this is what the pastor is teaching at the pulpit, if it is not in order, there is trouble, they will point fingers. Reason why i wouldn't want to go near anything that is likely to get me some kind of responsibility in charge, i just fear fingers being pointed my way, considering am a liberal.
Wrong, New Life is a segment of the Seventh Day Adventist church, somewhere on Ngong road, never been there, i was however made to understand its for the liberals like me. I doubt there are any Saints on earth.. 'For all have fallen short of the glory of God..' It is why Christ came... 'that we may have life and have it abundantly..' My understanding of Holy Communion is not about perfection but self-examination. Infact even before one says a prayer, I believe they should self-examine. It might be the reason that both start with repentance. An earthly example: Would you go telling your boss your problems when you are in his bad books? Wouldn't it be prudent to first get onto his good side? Clean your heart, clean your intent and purpose to remain in the straight and narrow then remember Him(Holy Communion), commune with Him(Prayer), revel in Him(Worship) 1 Corinthians 11:28-32 ~ But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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CLK wrote:Am here, interesting stuff, i have no idea where to start from. coincidentally most Seventh Day Adventists are Kisiis, and most households in that region grow tea, why would they preach to people not to take beverages and want to make money from the same harmful stuff?
Coincidentally last week was holy communion, i happened to be in church that day, and the person who preached that day did a fantastic job, he said holy communion is not for the saints, but for the sinners, i took holy communion for the first time in a decade. I happened to be going for a meeting that morning and wore some jewellery, so i found myself in church with the earrings and necklace, did i have intentions of wearing them inside the church? No. Was my intention to attract someone or some attention in particular? No. But then somehow wearing them makes me feel good and happy at the end of the day whether in church or not, will they make someone sin,, maybe yes maybe not. i believe in everyone taking control of their thoughts, words and deeds, you can choose to ignore something altogether, but if you choose to think otherwise problem is yours.
Adventist families are not different from other regular families, so expect to find all the issues faced by other homes in those homes, however the church will expect the pastor's house to be inorder, because this is what the pastor is teaching at the pulpit, if it is not in order, there is trouble, they will point fingers. Reason why i wouldn't want to go near anything that is likely to get me some kind of responsibility in charge, i just fear fingers being pointed my way, considering am a liberal.
Wrong, New Life is a segment of the Seventh Day Adventist church, somewhere on Ngong road, never been there, i was however made to understand its for the liberals like me. CLK, ma'am, are you a Kisii? That will be just good. lol. Anyway, I have witnessed starting here in Wazua, a certain 'pastor' being told off several times to live up to his profession even by those who have made no hint they are christians. Dont you see the disconnect? I see it and personally I find it quite painful and disturbing even though I am not the one being told off. Its only fair to ask them to preach water and drink water and not to drink dilute wine. If they can't hack it they should just quit. Next I want to go to this NewLife. Also never been there. Iko Ngong road upande gani? I think its good you took your holy communion. Don't leave church because of individuals who put you off.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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CLK wrote:Muriel wrote:The Adventist Home. Quite interesting but could not find where this subject is described explicitly. chapter 55 'Moral Standards' there is mention of 'Both men and women must keep their place and live above reproach' - that the mind of a man or woman does not come down in a moment from purity and holiness to depravity, corruption and crime so by beholding you become changed. So women professing the truth to keep strict guard over themselves lest the least encouragement be given to unwarrantable familiarity. Halafu 'women must hold high standard of conduct' - she may have had no unlawful purpose or motive but she has given encouragement to men who are tempted and who need all the help they can get from those associated with them. lol ati Quote:they (some women) are not all circumspect in their deportment as becoming women professing godliness. Their words are not as select and well chosen as those of women who have received the grace of God should be. They are too familiar with their brethren. They linger around them, incline toward them and seem to choose their society. They are highly gratified with their attention. I think that whereas each one has a duty to control his thoughts, others must help him by doing their part by avoiding to lay a 'trap' for him. CLK, CLK, are you still around or you have gone? then brethren must be sinning left right center considering the way people dress in Nairobi, and we have no way of controlling how people dress, but we can control how we feel or what we do when we see those skimpily dressed, right? then we can welcome them into the church and teach them how to dress, right? but not by first judging and pointing fingers at them. Sometimes back i saw a single mother preach in church, not sure the circumstances that led to her being single, but i must say that church has evolved, positively. Back in the day, for you to serve in the church, your entire family tree had to be looked into. the church manual is helping a lot, considering back in the day it used to be almost at the discretion of the lead pastor to run his church whichever way he saw best Yes, I think the brethren are sinning thoroughly. They look and do it in their minds. Very few can control their thoughts, most let it wander. I dressed 'outrageously' considering the rest of the people on 5th but I was not shooed away. I hope no one concentrated on me and not what was being said. Now I have urges to return there. Maybe they welcomed me, yet again, then they start teaching me how to dress later. Honestly none pointed a finger at me. Maybe the same with the lady I mentioned earlier. So I give it up to them on that point. When you went with the earrings and necklace that you mentioned earlier, did they judge you and point their fingers at you? Where was this that you went? One is responsible for what he thinks and he cannot transfer this reponsibility to another. If it happened that way, Adam could have escaped.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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CLK wrote:Muriel wrote:Um Sayala wrote:I like Adventists. They have a department called Health and Temperance. Basically what they teach is what you would pay your nutritionist to teach you.
I initially knew little about them, and used to say they dont want pple to eat meat, take tea etc...but I later learnt that it is not a rule but an advice and a strong recommendation to eat healthy and live healthy.
They call doctors and health professionals on some days to talk specifically about health. The last i attended was about breast cancer and a number of pple benefited
Kudos on that Yes. I like them for this too. There were similar discussions by a Dr. Daniel Ganu during camp some weeks ago. Quite interesting. Maka, its not a competition, just a discussion, you know, sharing ideas, certainly a not mine-is-better-than-yours kind of thing. Anyway, I found something else that made me chuckle from chapter 38 of Adventist home. Quote:The father frequently comes in with a self-satisfied air and proudly recounts what he has accomplished through the day. His remarks show that now he must be waited upon by the mother for she has not done much except take care of the children, cook the meals and keep the house in order. She has not acted the merchant, bought nor sold, she has not acted the farmer in tilling the soil, she has not acted the mechanic therefore she has done nothing to make her weary. He criticizes and censures and dictates as though he was the lord of creation. Thats a right one to the husbands' chin, as it were. lol. This is why the likes of me run and do not look back when we come across single Adventist men, chauvinism is part of them, they possess the holier than though attitude and the women they marry are supposed to be angels, hell am not one of those BTW, honestly, I feel the same way too. Not only them but even in other denominations and religions. There is a way some men use religion as a license to be 'dirty', sensual and lewd. Not only christians but muslims, animists and all. Most so 'pastors' eish! Evidence iko hapa hapa wazua. I decided I will call them out when I see them. We must gang up to stop or dampen these habits. I will not cease being a christian because of them. You also should not cease being an Adventist because of them. That would be self defeating and petty. But unless I misunderstood that quote I took it as a rebuke to the chauvinistic men. I think there are internal devices to control these chauvinistic behaviors but as to whether the men follow them is another matter. I will read further to find out the mens' responsibilities in the Adventist Home. I will return shortly. This is an interesting discussion. I like it.
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