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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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mkeiyd wrote:@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.
If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers? I'd bet good money he's a devil worshiper. Who calls himself Christ or God? @Wendz, you might think you are doing so much for them, you deceive yourself. First priority to God, second to spouse and thereafter comes your children. If your kids come before God and your spouse, Im sure they've wondered 'Why is our mother stifling us?' You do them a great dis-service.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 420 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:There are 4 points
1. God knows everything
He has knowledge of everything, past, present and the future
2. God has written this in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz (the Preserved Tablet)
Quran sura Al Hajj 22:70
"Knowest thou not that Allah knows all that is in heaven and on earth? Indeed it is all in a Record, and that is easy for Allah."
(This is not difficult for Him from whom flows all knowledge and intelligence)
3. everything happens with the will of Allah
Quran sura Al Qasas 28:68
- "Thy Lord does create and choose as He pleases: no choice have they (in the matter):- Glory to Allah."
Quran sura Ibrahim 14:27
- Allah will establish in strength those who believe, with the word that stands firm, in this world and in the Hereafter;
- but Allah will leave, to stray, those who do wrong: Allah doeth what He willeth.
Quran sura Al Burooj 85:16 So we learn that whatever Allah intends, he can do.
Quran sura Al Imran 3:6 - "He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
4. All things happen are created by Allah
...in their sense, attributes and movement.
Quran sura Al Zumar 39:62 - "Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Guardian and Disposer of all affairs."
Quran sura Al Furqaan 25:2 - "Allah created all things, and ordered them in due proportions."
Quran sura Al Saaffaat 37:96 - "But Allah has created you and your handwork!"
One important point to note
is that, just because Allah created everything, He interferes with free will. No.
People have our free will
And we know in our day to day life, we have a free will.
Quran sura Al Baqarah 2:223 - It means you have a free will.
Quran sura Al Taghaabun 64:16 - "Fear Allah as much as you can. Listen to Him and obey Him"
Quran sura Al Baqarah 2:286
- Allah Does not lay a burden greater than it can bear.
- It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns.
So based on this, every human being has a free will.
And we see this in every day life.
For example:
- there are some things that go on, which He has fixed
- everything else lies on free will like if I want to lift my hand, if I want I can walk
- it is my will
Certain things for example heart beating.
It beats because of the will of Allah
I can't if I want to stop my heart from beating, I cannot do it. @Alpha is there a sura that is misconstrued by these 'Juhadists?' Pls pun not intended just seeking to understand all this 
Opinion is free, truth is sacred.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:mkeiyd wrote:@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.
If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers? I'd bet good money he's a devil worshiper. Who calls himself Christ or God? @Wendz, you might think you are doing so much for them, you deceive yourself. First priority to God, second to spouse and thereafter comes your children. If your kids come before God and your spouse, Im sure they've wondered 'Why is our mother stifling us?' You do them a great dis-service. Indeed you can 'bet good money' on it. It's always the bottom line for your ilk.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Wendz wrote:ecstacy wrote:2012 wrote:This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.
Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there? This exact thought struck me on Monday. I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan". Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No.. Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims? I was just at the right place at the right time. Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives. I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21) @Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question. My dear, why do we gloss over the atrocities? Is it to sleep better? Did God plan this for the victims? Yes or No - http://www.the-star.co.k...e-hostages-were-tortured
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,885
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Wendz wrote:ecstacy wrote:2012 wrote:This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.
Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there? This exact thought struck me on Monday. I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan". Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No.. Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims? I was just at the right place at the right time. Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives. I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21) @Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question. if god plans our lives and we do what he intends us to do, then what value is free choice? if god gives me a role to play as a thief, is it fair to end up in hell for doing his work?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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mkenyan wrote:Wendz wrote:ecstacy wrote:2012 wrote:This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.
Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there? This exact thought struck me on Monday. I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan". Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No.. Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims? I was just at the right place at the right time. Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives. I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21) @Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question. if god plans our lives and we do what he intends us to do, then what value is free choice? if god gives me a role to play as a thief, is it fair to end up in hell for doing his work? hahahahahahahahahahaa! Ask @Tycho, @Mukiri or @kiash... No idea! but an interesting perspective all the same.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Wendz wrote:mkenyan wrote:Wendz wrote:ecstacy wrote:2012 wrote:This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.
Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there? This exact thought struck me on Monday. I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan". Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No.. Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims? I was just at the right place at the right time. Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives. I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21) @Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question. if god plans our lives and we do what he intends us to do, then what value is free choice? if god gives me a role to play as a thief, is it fair to end up in hell for doing his work? hahahahahahahahahahaa! Ask @Tycho, @Mukiri or @kiash... No idea! but an interesting perspective all the same. God has good plans for everyone, but Satan intercedes with his resulting to illness,accidents etc. Reason why we have to pray all the time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wendz wrote:mkenyan wrote:Wendz wrote:ecstacy wrote:2012 wrote:This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.
Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there? This exact thought struck me on Monday. I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan". Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No.. Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims? I was just at the right place at the right time. Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives. I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21) @Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question. if god plans our lives and we do what he intends us to do, then what value is free choice? if god gives me a role to play as a thief, is it fair to end up in hell for doing his work? hahahahahahahahahahaa! Ask @Tycho, @Mukiri or @kiash... No idea! but an interesting perspective all the same. And I, being with a huge appetite for these matters, gladly steps in. Human freedom and God's wills and plans are inextricably linked. Today in the morning I was reading 'the Shabaab statement' and though it was a propaganda move, I couldn't help but see the Spiritual streak in it. And that, their cries to Allah, may not be so unfounded. For I'm sure that it's not all joy and dancing in Somalia. And why is it that there's crying and mourning among even the simplest folk across borders? Is it God's will that any part of humanity should suffer at the expense of the other? It's funny, we expect to yield good from evil! And blame God for it!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Tycho, is there such a thing as pre-destination?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiyd wrote:Wendz wrote:mkenyan wrote:Wendz wrote:ecstacy wrote:2012 wrote:This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.
Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there? This exact thought struck me on Monday. I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan". Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No.. Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims? I was just at the right place at the right time. Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives. I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21) @Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question. if god plans our lives and we do what he intends us to do, then what value is free choice? if god gives me a role to play as a thief, is it fair to end up in hell for doing his work? hahahahahahahahahahaa! Ask @Tycho, @Mukiri or @kiash... No idea! but an interesting perspective all the same. God has good plans for everyone, but Satan intercedes with his resulting to illness,accidents etc. Reason why we have to pray all the time. We make ourselves sick, we kill ourselves; we intercede against ourselves. We punish, and glorify ourselves. Hiding this from ourselves is the essence of our devil worship. Our doctrines are mere twigs.
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