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Rahatupu
#41 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:48:06 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
Sometimes i want to believe that Islam does not motivate this Al shabaab idiots but i always stop when i "hear" the deafening noise from the Muslims in and around,which follows such senseless attacks.I also want to think that there are many who celebrate behind closed doors.NO?



@Njung'e, I feel you. This is real they exist na ni wengi!!

1. Moha
2. Did you notice the noise they made after the two KDF soldiers were shot in Garissa? Always sleeping with the enemy and pretending to be on the side of the worriors against terror.
washiku
#42 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:19:03 PM
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McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
And who shall explain the fact that these terrorists also attacks muslims?


Only as collateral damage or go against them!!!!


Maybe I need more convincing in this...Abdul Haji, a muslim, saved many he didnt worry whether they were muslims or not. Somebody please explain...
Muriel
#43 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:29:37 PM
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washiku wrote:
McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
And who shall explain the fact that these terrorists also attacks muslims?


Only as collateral damage or go against them!!!!


Maybe I need more convincing in this...Abdul Haji, a muslim, saved many he didnt worry whether they were muslims or not. Somebody please explain...


Its how he has interpreted his Koran.

While one will imagine Allah's cause involves killing the infidels the other will imagine it involves helping people from being killed.

In their respective minds they are all doing Allah's work. And like Rahatupu and Njung'e suspect they are at home in either camp.

And then there is the Shia vs Sunni thing.
AlphDoti
#44 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:48:08 PM
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Muriel wrote:
washiku wrote:
McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
And who shall explain the fact that these terrorists also attacks muslims?

Only as collateral damage or go against them!!!!

Maybe I need more convincing in this...Abdul Haji, a muslim, saved many he didnt worry whether they were muslims or not. Somebody please explain...

Its how he has interpreted his Koran.

While one will imagine Allah's cause involves killing the infidels the other will imagine it involves helping people from being killed.

In their respective minds they are all doing Allah's work. And like Rahatupu and Njung'e suspect they are at home in either camp.

And then there is the Shia vs Sunni thing.

Muslims including myself have always spoke out
..telling the world, Wazua included that these people are not representing Muslims. This is not Islam. What they do or say is contrary to the Islamic teaching.

I've always said, showed proof
...explained the misconceptions here, here in Wazua, not once but many times. I've showed you that Islam is religion of peace. And this is the truth.

Islam teaches that
If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.

I've provided this verse in the Quran 5:32.
This verse says it all, which denounces killing, one human life is like genocide against the entirety of mankind.

So the Quran is very clear that if you kill an innocent life, you'll be judged by that
And when you see these people causing deaths of the innocent, and they call themselves Jihadis then you will clearly know the difference.

Islam teaches us about how to go to war
Muslims can go to war, but islam teaches how to engage. It teaches Muslims not to kill women and children or the elderly or any innocent person.
It teaches them if the enemy want asylum, the refuge, don't just let them go, escort them to a lace of security.

Which generous army general today
will say let the enemy go?
Which army general today will say escort the enemy to security that the Quran says?

So this is a great misconception
This misconception is not only among the non-Muslims, even among the Muslims.
Jihad does not mean any war faught. Jihad is not terrorism and Islam condems killing of innocent.

You can see that the objective is divide people
People living together peacfully.
You heard the reports saying that they were asking people if they were Muslims, then they could go out.
These are propagandas which have been invented.
And amplified in the western countries many times that nowadays, many people accept it as fact and truth.

Their objective is to divide
the Muslims and the non-Muslims.
In fact, the media wants people to believe that this is a Muslim's reward for suicide.

The Quran and valid authentic Hadiths are very clear about anyone who commits suicide.

It is a fact that Muslims were killed
We saw Muslims burying their dead on Sunday and Monday!
We also got reports from the media that Muslims were killed.
So they could not have been there to give protection to Msulims.

These are people who have their objective to cause disorder.
Shotgun
#45 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:52:00 PM
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I would not discuss modern day Jihad without the Middle East crisis. Israel and her neighbours...thats the root cause of all the madness. The scriptures is just people looking for justification to their heinous acts.
Siringi
#46 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:29:46 PM
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Siringi
#47 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:32:06 PM
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Muriel
#48 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:35:25 PM
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Alphdoti, that 2 men reading the same Koran can come to 2 diametrically opposed conclusions surely should lead you to contemplate the ambigous nature of that book. If it has more than one meaning, what can it say to you with certainity? How certain is that certainity? How ambiguous is its ambiguousity? How reliable is it as a guide to heaven? Oh! The what ifs!!!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,, too many!!!!!

Alphdoti, you dont need to start to convince me, a non-muslim that Islam is a peaceful religion. You only need to convince your fellow Muslims. They need your preaching more than I.

Alphdoti, now is the time to recognize that some Muslims interpret the Koran differently from you. They might as well be reading reading the Koran Jihad Version (KJV) that is different from the Koran New Armistice Version (NAV) that you read. So much for your favorite one-version-theory.

Alphdoti, realize that when you accuse those who think they are implementing the teachings of the koran as having an objective to cause disorder, you are telling me, a non muslim that one of Koran objective is to cause disorder.

Alphdoti, realize that the the finger you like pointing at christians meant that there were 3 other fingers pointing back at you. Now see, you cannot refute, using an ambiguous book, that never ending group sexual orgies is promised to 'hard working' Muslims who 'dont stay at home' when they die.

Alphdoti, last but not least, now is the time to take and lean on Mukiri's advice and sympathy in post #23.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#49 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:44:27 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti, that 2 men reading the same Koran can come to 2 diametrically opposed conclusions surely should lead you to contemplate the ambigous nature of that book. If it has more than one meaning, what can it say to you with certainity? How certain is that certainity? How ambiguous is its ambiguousity? How reliable is it as a guide to heaven? Oh! The what ifs!!!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,, too many!!!!!

Alphdoti, you dont need to start to convince me, a non-muslim that Islam is a peaceful religion. You only need to convince your fellow Muslims. They need your preaching more than I.

Alphdoti, now is the time to recognize that some Muslims interpret the Koran differently from you. They might as well be reading reading the Koran Jihad Version (KJV) that is different from the Koran New Armistice Version (NAV) that you read. So much for your favorite one-version-theory.

Alphdoti, realize that when you accuse those who think they are implementing the teachings of the koran as having an objective to cause disorder, you are telling me, a non muslim that one of Koran objective is to cause disorder.

Alphdoti, realize that the the finger you like pointing at christians meant that there were 3 other fingers pointing back at you. Now see, you cannot refute, using an ambiguous book, that never ending group sexual orgies is promised to 'hard working' Muslims who 'dont stay at home' when they die.

Alphdoti, last but not least, now is the time to take and lean on Mukiri's advice and sympathy in post #23.


I like that line, its time for the real Muslims to save their religion from the fanatics. I am disappointed as I am yet to see any demo's in Mombasa by Muslims protesting the radicalisation of their religion, hopefully we see something on friday after prayers
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
McReggae
#50 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:58:03 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti, that 2 men reading the same Koran can come to 2 diametrically opposed conclusions surely should lead you to contemplate the ambigous nature of that book. If it has more than one meaning, what can it say to you with certainity? How certain is that certainity? How ambiguous is its ambiguousity? How reliable is it as a guide to heaven? Oh! The what ifs!!!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,, too many!!!!!

Alphdoti, you dont need to start to convince me, a non-muslim that Islam is a peaceful religion. You only need to convince your fellow Muslims. They need your preaching more than I.

Alphdoti, now is the time to recognize that some Muslims interpret the Koran differently from you. They might as well be reading reading the Koran Jihad Version (KJV) that is different from the Koran New Armistice Version (NAV) that you read. So much for your favorite one-version-theory.

Alphdoti, realize that when you accuse those who think they are implementing the teachings of the koran as having an objective to cause disorder, you are telling me, a non muslim that one of Koran objective is to cause disorder.

Alphdoti, realize that the the finger you like pointing at christians meant that there were 3 other fingers pointing back at you. Now see, you cannot refute, using an ambiguous book, that never ending group sexual orgies is promised to 'hard working' Muslims who 'dont stay at home' when they die.

Alphdoti, last but not least, now is the time to take and lean on Mukiri's advice and sympathy in post #23.


I like that line, its time for the real Muslims to save their religion from the fanatics. I am disappointed as I am yet to see any demo's in Mombasa by Muslims protesting the radicalisation of their religion, hopefully we see something on friday after prayers


Instead of @Alphadoti respodning to this, he will give us his interpretation, yet some are using the same Koran to spread terror the world over!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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