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Thanking God
simonkabz
#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:23:44 PM
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tycho wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
tycho wrote:
2012 wrote:
This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.

Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there?


I was just beginning a study of 'the evil that men do' when westgate happened. And trying to comprehend the human mind led me to frightening paths.

For example, should one consider himself lucky because a child had died in his stead? To every action there's an opposite and equal reaction. After all, isn't there a hint of guilt in such celebrations? How can such rationality be justified?

It's then that one realizes that all this celebration is in fact, 'devil worship'. If there's anything to celebrate about then it's victory over death, and living under the 'mandate of heaven' as Confucius, or Christ put it.

Then there's only pure being. No thanking or demanding. Only giving with a cheerful heart.


Sijakuelewa bro Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


When you find yourself thanking God for something, just know you have alienated yourself.

Otherwise, you always have everything; even eternal life, and you need not fear death.

@Wendz speaks about asking for a long life for her children's sake; and am reminded of my own anxieties as a child, especially when my mom arrived late from work. I'd be plagued by all sorts of terror.

But years later I sat beside her on her death bed. And alas, we found that it was too soon to part ways. But the fact was we were parting.

Death should be treated as a friend rather than as an enemy, and should be let to come and go as it pleases. But that requires self knowledge; victory over death.

This is what 'maji maji' rebellion was about. The mystery of the resurrection.


Come slowly bro, sikamati kitu!Sad
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
tycho
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:30:06 AM
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@Simon, it's difficult enough to find the truth about Westgate, how more difficult can it be to find God?

The Zen monk is a Pilgrim, with only a few things in a bag, and walks from monastery to monastery to monastery, year after year, trying to find truth, and God.

One day I began such a journey, and in every monastery I thanked God for the great things he had done, 'for me'.

Then one day, I realized that 'time was the most important thing to have'. A crude thought perhaps, but it only led to the realization, crude again, that one can only have time if he submits to God.

I moved to another monastery, and my new teacher showed me many wonderful things, and I'd thank him over and again. But he'd only stare at me.

One day, I asked him; 'master, why is it, every time I thank you, you give me a sad, and blank look?'

'Because I feel the pain'. He said.

'What pain?' I asked.

'When your body becomes sensitive enough, you'll know what I mean'. He answered. 'And that is your lesson in this monastery'.

So for days I'd meditate on this matter. One day as I was working in the garden, I saw Freud passing by.

'Freud!' I called out. 'Why, you are here!'

'I've always been here'. He replied.

That's when I realized all this time that it was my consciousness was changing. But changing to what?

God.

And indeed a visit to the mirror confirmed this. I was so happy. But who was there to thank?'

Then I felt the pain.







mkeiyd
#23 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:45:11 AM
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@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.

If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers?
chemos
#24 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01:50 PM
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tycho wrote:
@Simon, it's difficult enough to find the truth about Westgate, how more difficult can it be to find God?

The Zen monk is a Pilgrim, with only a few things in a bag, and walks from monastery to monastery to monastery, year after year, trying to find truth, and God.

One day I began such a journey, and in every monastery I thanked God for the great things he had done, 'for me'.

Then one day, I realized that 'time was the most important thing to have'. A crude thought perhaps, but it only led to the realization, crude again, that one can only have time if he submits to God.

I moved to another monastery, and my new teacher showed me many wonderful things, and I'd thank him over and again. But he'd only stare at me.

One day, I asked him; 'master, why is it, every time I thank you, you give me a sad, and blank look?'

'Because I feel the pain'. He said.

'What pain?' I asked.

'When your body becomes sensitive enough, you'll know what I mean'. He answered. 'And that is your lesson in this monastery'.

So for days I'd meditate on this matter. One day as I was working in the garden, I saw Freud passing by.

'Freud!' I called out. 'Why, you are here!'

'I've always been here'. He replied.

That's when I realized all this time that it was my consciousness was changing. But changing to what?

God.

And indeed a visit to the mirror confirmed this. I was so happy. But who was there to thank?'

Then I felt the pain.










Ushawahi act movie yeyote???? Kwanza zile thriller zenye mtu haelewangi nini inahappen???d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!
tycho
#25 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:11:21 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.

If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers?


Yes, the book says so; and doesn't it also say that our minds should be transformed?

We are called unto the most high, to dwell and rule with Him.

And the rule itself is praise, and worship.

God's word is living, pouring from the lips of Man.

But behold the man who utters words outside the living word! Not even quoting the ancestors can help.


AlphDoti
#26 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:15:20 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.

If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers?

Last time when I engaged @tycho, pressing him to disclose where he stands, all of you stood by the road side and went quiet.

You see, if one cannot desclare his stand, then he will keep playing with our minds.

When he says "book", which book does he talk about?
tycho
#27 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:28:01 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.

If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers?

Last time when I engaged @tycho, pressing him to disclose where he stands, all of you stood by the road side and went quiet.

You see, if one cannot desclare his stand, then he will keep playing with our minds.

When he says "book", which book does he talk about?


I'm the wind that blows, even 'stands'. What I ask, is the difference between the Gita and the Koran? Or the Bible?

Humanity has but one book, translations are many.

But we're supposed to meet somewhere; in a thread.
Muriel
#28 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:41:14 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
@Tycho,Umetuzoea, go fly a kite for all i care.

If God the Almighty in his holy book says we should PRAISE and be GRATEFUL to Him, who the hell do you think you are to come here and call us devil worshippers?

Last time when I engaged @tycho, pressing him to disclose where he stands, all of you stood by the road side and went quiet.

You see, if one cannot desclare his stand, then he will keep playing with our minds.

When he says "book", which book does he talk about?


All of who?

Why do you want to press him for anything? There is no need for pressing. All you have to do is to read what he types.

Why do you let your mind be played with?
seppuku
#29 Posted : Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:27:50 PM
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I like to think about life as a pair concentric circles. The inner and smaller circle is the circle of control. The outer and larger circle is the circle of influence. Everything else outside of that is the province of fate. Things you cannot control.

For me, the goal is to place things in the right places. I aspire to be fully aware of the things that I can control so that I can control them to my advantage. I aspire to be fully aware of the things I can influence so that I can influence them to my advantage. I aspire to be aware of the things that I can neither control nor influence so that I know to do absolutely nothing about them. Above all, I aspire to keep expanding the circles, to grow my circle of control and my circle of of influence. To eat into the territory of the unknown.

The Westgate attack and its aftermath will be in different circles for different people: The circle of control for the Al Shabaab, the circle of influence for the NSIS and maybe in neither circle for the kindergarten kid in Nyamasaria. In my assessment, why it happened to other people and not to me is neither in my circle of control nor in my circle of influence. I will not pay the matter any further attention.
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
Wendz
#30 Posted : Friday, September 27, 2013 9:47:05 AM
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ecstacy wrote:
2012 wrote:
This tragedy at the Westgate made me wonder and maybe if there's a religious scholar here he/she could clarify.

Now should we thank God that we were nowhere near Westgate? I ask this because I know the people who passed were probably not at the wrong place. Did God save the rest of us or we were just lucky not to have been there?


This exact thought struck me on Monday.

I thought the same when a 'saved' workmate told me "to thank God I wasn't there" at Westgate as I had earlier planned. "It was God's plan".

Knowing friends who were traumatically affected by this attack and and yet to heal, I put myself in the victims shoes and "No", it can't have been God. Even to the kids with their mums shot? even those hostage toddlers shot dead in front of their mums for crying? No..

Instinctively told him ,if it was God for me, was it the Devil for the innocent victims?

I was just at the right place at the right time.

Even infront of God's eyes, #WeAreOne


My thinking is, God has planned your life. he knows when you will go and how. those who survived, it was not their time and somehow, God had to let them off to go and finish the work He made them to do. For those who died, it was their time and they were destined to die and that way. Thing is, we do not know when we will go and that is why, i pray that God gives me more years to see my children through the delicate part of life.... However, if he says it is my time today, it will be and there is nothing i can do but pray that He takes care of my kids. Thats not to say He does not take care of them now, He does, but we also have the roles he's given us to play in their lives.

I still say, 2 Samuel 6 (specifically 6:16 and 6:21)

@Mukiri, you really want me to tell you what i think i do for them? Nooo, i pass that question.
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