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Muriel wrote:King G, is that a fact? I dont think it is! I meet the criteria but still will be ignored. Maka, yes it definitely is. Hence the question. Coolio, thanks for the hint. It really requires uchambuzi. Alphdoti, A moral bone for you to mull over and implement accordingly, but definitely in another thread as Tycho suggests. Quote:Sura 33:21 ye have indeed in the messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the final day....... Mohammed and Aisha. Mohammed and Zainab. In short, pay attention to what Symbols and Tycho are telling you. Mcreggae, what was the elephant in the room? By the way this is your education too. Take note of response so far. Because I dont think he is ignoring. More like cant. But there is still time, opportunity, room for redemption. Symbols, indeed, back to Daniel. Wasn't telling him anything.Just finding out how he found his way to reflect on how I found mine.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:King G, is that a fact? I dont think it is! I meet the criteria but still will be ignored. Maka, yes it definitely is. Hence the question. Coolio, thanks for the hint. It really requires uchambuzi. Alphdoti, A moral bone for you to mull over and implement accordingly, but definitely in another thread as Tycho suggests. Quote:Sura 33:21 ye have indeed in the messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the final day....... Mohammed and Aisha. Mohammed and Zainab. In short, pay attention to what Symbols and Tycho are telling you. Mcreggae, what was the elephant in the room? By the way this is your education too. Take note of response so far. Because I dont think he is ignoring. More like cant. But there is still time, opportunity, room for redemption. Symbols, indeed, back to Daniel. Not too fast @Muriel. We'll come to that. One thing at a time. You quoted the verse "2 Tim 3:6 ", now you want to run away from it. It's common to see people who when they're shown something, they want to escape it. You cannot move to Daniel before you establish a premise. The premise is wrong in the first place. I tell you that not all scripture is as you may have been made to believe.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:King G, is that a fact? I dont think it is! I meet the criteria but still will be ignored. Maka, yes it definitely is. Hence the question. Coolio, thanks for the hint. It really requires uchambuzi. Alphdoti, A moral bone for you to mull over and implement accordingly, but definitely in another thread as Tycho suggests. Quote:Sura 33:21 ye have indeed in the messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the final day....... Mohammed and Aisha. Mohammed and Zainab. In short, pay attention to what Symbols and Tycho are telling you. Mcreggae, what was the elephant in the room? By the way this is your education too. Take note of response so far. Because I dont think he is ignoring. More like cant. But there is still time, opportunity, room for redemption. Symbols, indeed, back to Daniel. Not too fast @Muriel. We'll come to that. One thing at a time. You quoted the verse "2 Tim 3:6 ", now you want to run away from it. It's common to see people who when they're shown something, they want to escape it. You cannot move to Daniel before you establish a premise. The premise is wrong in the first place. I tell you that not all scripture is as you may have been made to believe. @AlphDoti, I believe we should see whether the 'four conditions' can be applied to the book of Daniel. And if there are 'many inconsistencies', then you are free to point at those that are in 'Daniel'. Otherwise, if this is some kind of 'road block', then it's based on wanting grounds. A premise exists by the way, and it doesn't have to be what is believed to be true.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel, let's start with dreams.
Can you know what I dreamed of last night, without me narrating the dream to you?
Why, didn't Nebuchadnezzar want to narrate his 'first dream'? (I need to catch up with your understanding up to Chapter 6).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Another example where the Bible is failing its own test.
Incest
When you go and sleep with your own mother, your own daughter, your own siser, your daughter-inlaw, that is incest.
There are more than 10 cases of incest
...in this book of God, Bible.
The types and types of incest you can commit.
A textbook, if you want to know what types.
And as a result
for example South Africa, the whites there who are mostly Christians 8% of all white in South Africa they commit incest with their own daughters.
And 13% of Americans are comitting incest with their own daughters.
Dr. Vernon Jones, a psychologist of great repute
He carried out experiments on groups of school children to whom certain stories were being read.
And he said that these stories made slight but permanent changes in character.
He said that the type of story that you read, will create the type of mentality that you have.
If you read junky stuff, your mind will become junkie, you eat junkie food, your body will be junkie.
So tell us now What do these actions teach?
- doctrine?
- Reproof: you do certain things wrong, you'll be punished?
- Correction: not like this, but like that?
- or instructions to righteousness?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:Another example where the Bible is failing its own test.
Incest
When you go and sleep with your own mother, your own daughter, your own siser, your daughter-inlaw, that is incest.
There are more than 10 cases of incest
...in this book of God, Bible.
The types and types of incest you can commit.
A textbook, if you want to know what types.
And as a result
for example South Africa, the whites there who are mostly Christians 8% of all white in South Africa they commit incest with their own daughters.
And 13% of Americans are comitting incest with their own daughters.
Dr. Vernon Jones, a psychologist of great repute
He carried out experiments on groups of school children to whom certain stories were being read.
And he said that these stories made slight but permanent changes in character.
He said that the type of story that you read, will create the type of mentality that you have.
If you read junky stuff, your mind will become junkie, you eat junkie food, your body will be junkie.
So tell us now What do these actions teach?
- doctrine?
- Reproof: you do certain things wrong, you'll be punished?
- Correction: not like this, but like that?
- or instructions to righteousness? On the other hand this is an example of 'violent Islam'. Also a contradiction.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Another example where the Bible is failing its own test.
Incest
When you go and sleep with your own mother, your own daughter, your own siser, your daughter-inlaw, that is incest.
There are more than 10 cases of incest
...in this book of God, Bible.
The types and types of incest you can commit.
A textbook, if you want to know what types.
And as a result
for example South Africa, the whites there who are mostly Christians 8% of all white in South Africa they commit incest with their own daughters.
And 13% of Americans are comitting incest with their own daughters.
Dr. Vernon Jones, a psychologist of great repute
He carried out experiments on groups of school children to whom certain stories were being read.
And he said that these stories made slight but permanent changes in character.
He said that the type of story that you read, will create the type of mentality that you have.
If you read junky stuff, your mind will become junkie, you eat junkie food, your body will be junkie.
So tell us now What do these actions teach?
- doctrine?
- Reproof: you do certain things wrong, you'll be punished?
- Correction: not like this, but like that?
- or instructions to righteousness? On the other hand this is an example of 'violent Islam'. Also a contradiction. @tycho, let's talk about that issue afterwards. Now we have two topics to iron out together about Islam (1. Prophet's marriage to Aisha, 2. Violence). For now, please don't try to digress. Stick to this "one hand" first. Answer my questions in my post above  
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@ Alphadoti let Daniel be discussed in peace. Im starting a thread for your concerns shortly.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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@Alpha let me get you straight,are you suggesting the bible is a junk?
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@Muriel, the book of Daniel has two parts: the easy to understand and the prophecy part. On prophecy, you need to read it together with the other prophecy parts of the Bible eg Revelation. For a thorough, detailed study, I'd refer you to HEREand HERE.
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