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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I'm glad you're seeking knowledge. I just want to apeal to you to act on the knowledge that you'll gain. I did the same as you do right now, and I was not the same again...
All you need is open mind and open heart because and open heart-mind can receive anything.
If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. - Malcolm X I'll diverge a little to ask an open question.I find this to be an interesting paradox.How open should one be?At what point do you receive enough to stand for something.That implies at some point you close yourself off.Question is how do you determine the base and is it universal because for me the alternative would be subjectivity. “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.” Albert Einstein “Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” George Bernard Shaw “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.” Frank Zappa “Kids think with their brains cracked wide open; becoming an adult, I've decided, is only a slow sewing shut.” Jodi Picoult “If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.” Marcus Aurelius “It's okay to disagree with the thoughts or opinions expressed by other people. That doesn't give you the right to deny any sense they might make. Nor does it give you a right to accuse someone of poorly expressing their beliefs just because you don't like what they are saying. Learn to recognize good writing when you read it, even if it means overcoming your pride and opening your mind beyond what is comfortable.” Ashly Lorenzana You should set your mind to be open but not open your mind to being set.It's an answer in itself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I'm glad you're seeking knowledge. I just want to apeal to you to act on the knowledge that you'll gain. I did the same as you do right now, and I was not the same again...
All you need is open mind and open heart because and open heart-mind can receive anything.
If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. - Malcolm X I'll diverge a little to ask an open question.I find this to be an interesting paradox.How open should one be?At what point do you receive enough to stand for something.That implies at some point you close yourself off.Question is how do you determine the base and is it universal because for me the alternative would be subjectivity. “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.” Albert Einstein “Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” George Bernard Shaw “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.” Frank Zappa “Kids think with their brains cracked wide open; becoming an adult, I've decided, is only a slow sewing shut.” Jodi Picoult “If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.” Marcus Aurelius “It's okay to disagree with the thoughts or opinions expressed by other people. That doesn't give you the right to deny any sense they might make. Nor does it give you a right to accuse someone of poorly expressing their beliefs just because you don't like what they are saying. Learn to recognize good writing when you read it, even if it means overcoming your pride and opening your mind beyond what is comfortable.” Ashly Lorenzana You should set your mind to be open but not open your mind to being set.It's an answer in itself. I am sure @Muriel understands what I mean. No philosophy for now.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I'm glad you're seeking knowledge. I just want to apeal to you to act on the knowledge that you'll gain. I did the same as you do right now, and I was not the same again...
All you need is open mind and open heart because and open heart-mind can receive anything.
If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. - Malcolm X I'll diverge a little to ask an open question.I find this to be an interesting paradox.How open should one be?At what point do you receive enough to stand for something.That implies at some point you close yourself off.Question is how do you determine the base and is it universal because for me the alternative would be subjectivity. “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.” Albert Einstein “Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” George Bernard Shaw “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.” Frank Zappa “Kids think with their brains cracked wide open; becoming an adult, I've decided, is only a slow sewing shut.” Jodi Picoult “If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.” Marcus Aurelius “It's okay to disagree with the thoughts or opinions expressed by other people. That doesn't give you the right to deny any sense they might make. Nor does it give you a right to accuse someone of poorly expressing their beliefs just because you don't like what they are saying. Learn to recognize good writing when you read it, even if it means overcoming your pride and opening your mind beyond what is comfortable.” Ashly Lorenzana You should set your mind to be open but not open your mind to being set.It's an answer in itself. I am sure @Muriel understands what I mean. No philosophy for now. There is an elephant you two do not want to put forward directly!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:2 Tim 3:16. Quote:All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: There is one book in the bible I need better understanding of. It is Daniel. Especially chapter 7 onward. 1-6 I have grasped. Please take me through it step by step in each chapter from the said 7 to 12. Here we go @Muriel. Jeremiah 8:8How can you say 'we are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a LIE. And now the beautiful test: 2 Tim 3:6That the Bible is based on these four tests. If it is the word of God, it must prove 1 of these 4 points. Anything, if it is from God, it must serve some purpose.It is not for your entertainment. 1. It must be your doctrine. 2. Reproof: you do certain things wrong, you'll be punished. 3. Correction: not like this, but like that 4. and encrouraging you to good deeds, instructions to righteousness. Actually Paul was talking to Timothyabout the previous verses, in verse 15 talking about the Old Testament. He was not talking about Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and Peter and James and Jude But however, if the Christians want to lump it all together, so lump it. So let's go and have a look my friends. Scenario One: SamsonJudges 16:1 - now Samson went to Gaza and he saw a harlot there, (a whore, a prostitute) and went in to her. Fullstop! Come on, tell usWhat soes it teach you? Samson goes to Gaza and he sees a harlot, a whore, a prositute, and he goes into her. Full stop. Nothing more! There's not a single redeeming word or phrase. Or maybe this was a Patestinian whore or prostitute, so it means nothing. Maybe if she was an israeli whore it might have meant something. She was not an Israeli. So God didn't give Samson AIDS, He didn't give him V.D, He didn't give him gonorrhea, nothing, nothing. This great hero, the modern Bible say " He spent the night with her". What, doing what? Hallelujahs? What were they doing? Spending the night with a prostitute, all night, what do you do, hallelujahs? Look, what is the moral?
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'To have a stand' @symbols, has twofold expression in the book of Daniel. First, it's about Daniel worshipping the 'true' God only, and secondly, the stand of Nebuchadnezzar's statue, that was destroyed by the stone and the wind.
The two differ in that one involves embracing the essence of Man by embracing the God of the ancestors and the other is a stand by reference to the fashion of the time and an alienated self.
@Muriel, I'd be honored to blow, and stand through the book with you.
@AlphDoti, I have just chanced to meet an analysis of Samson's story by Karl Menninger and I'd say this whole business of interpretation shouldn't be focused on proving falsehood on some party, but to be empathetic to the unique understanding of God that each person, culture and religion has.
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tycho wrote:'To have a stand' @symbols, has twofold expression in the book of Daniel. First, it's about Daniel worshipping the 'true' God only, and secondly, the stand of Nebuchadnezzar's statue, that was destroyed by the stone and the wind.
The two differ in that one involves embracing the essence of Man by embracing the God of the ancestors and the other is a stand by reference to the fashion of the time and an alienated self.
@Muriel, I'd be honored to blow, and stand through the book with you.
@AlphDoti, I have just chanced to meet an analysis of Samson's story by Karl Menninger and I'd say this whole business of interpretation shouldn't be focused on proving falsehood on some party, but to be empathetic to the unique understanding of God that each person, culture and religion has. @tycho no problem about that. Just don't loose the subject matter as was quoted: ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnessMark the word "ALL". The claim is all scripture must meet the four properties  It's not Samson's story only. Many. But first, tell us the moral behind Samson sleeping with prostitute. Was there: - doctrine teaching here? - reproof - correction - instruction to righteousness?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:'To have a stand' @symbols, has twofold expression in the book of Daniel. First, it's about Daniel worshipping the 'true' God only, and secondly, the stand of Nebuchadnezzar's statue, that was destroyed by the stone and the wind.
The two differ in that one involves embracing the essence of Man by embracing the God of the ancestors and the other is a stand by reference to the fashion of the time and an alienated self.
@Muriel, I'd be honored to blow, and stand through the book with you.
@AlphDoti, I have just chanced to meet an analysis of Samson's story by Karl Menninger and I'd say this whole business of interpretation shouldn't be focused on proving falsehood on some party, but to be empathetic to the unique understanding of God that each person, culture and religion has. @tycho no problem about that. Just don't loose the subject matter as was quoted: ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnessMark the word "ALL". The claim is all scripture must meet the four properties It's not Samson's story only. Many. But first, tell us the moral behind Samson sleeping with prostitute. Was there: - doctrine teaching here? - reproof - correction - instruction to righteousness? While the above four conditions are true and valid, it doesn't follow that any party can claim to be the reference points outside mutual and open dialogue. That's, it doesn't matter whether you or I do not, and cannot see what we are searching for. What matters is that we expect, and search into and for these conditions in any text that is considered sacred. While I can answer your question directly, I suggest that we come into agreement on the 'goggles' to wear, and open a seperate thread for it, possibly after tackling Daniel as @Muriel has requested.
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McReggae wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I'm glad you're seeking knowledge. I just want to apeal to you to act on the knowledge that you'll gain. I did the same as you do right now, and I was not the same again...
All you need is open mind and open heart because and open heart-mind can receive anything.
If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. - Malcolm X I'll diverge a little to ask an open question.I find this to be an interesting paradox.How open should one be?At what point do you receive enough to stand for something.That implies at some point you close yourself off.Question is how do you determine the base and is it universal because for me the alternative would be subjectivity. “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.” Albert Einstein “Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” George Bernard Shaw “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.” Frank Zappa “Kids think with their brains cracked wide open; becoming an adult, I've decided, is only a slow sewing shut.” Jodi Picoult “If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.” Marcus Aurelius “It's okay to disagree with the thoughts or opinions expressed by other people. That doesn't give you the right to deny any sense they might make. Nor does it give you a right to accuse someone of poorly expressing their beliefs just because you don't like what they are saying. Learn to recognize good writing when you read it, even if it means overcoming your pride and opening your mind beyond what is comfortable.” Ashly Lorenzana You should set your mind to be open but not open your mind to being set.It's an answer in itself. I am sure @Muriel understands what I mean. No philosophy for now. There is an elephant you two do not want to put forward directly!!!!! Not really.I've already shared what I wanted to.The interpretation is a different issue.
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tycho wrote:'To have a stand' @symbols, has twofold expression in the book of Daniel. First, it's about Daniel worshipping the 'true' God only, and secondly, the stand of Nebuchadnezzar's statue, that was destroyed by the stone and the wind.
The two differ in that one involves embracing the essence of Man by embracing the God of the ancestors and the other is a stand by reference to the fashion of the time and an alienated self.
It was on those lines.How to find God/truth across time,'fashion' and subjective experience? AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
I'm glad you're seeking knowledge. I just want to apeal to you to act on the knowledge that you'll gain. I did the same as you do right now, and I was not the same again...
All you need is open mind and open heart because and open heart-mind can receive anything.
If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. - Malcolm X I'll diverge a little to ask an open question.I find this to be an interesting paradox.How open should one be?At what point do you receive enough to stand for something.That implies at some point you close yourself off.Question is how do you determine the base and is it universal because for me the alternative would be subjectivity. “The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.” Albert Einstein “Those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” George Bernard Shaw “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.” Frank Zappa “Kids think with their brains cracked wide open; becoming an adult, I've decided, is only a slow sewing shut.” Jodi Picoult “If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly harmed. It is the person who continues in his self-deception and ignorance who is harmed.” Marcus Aurelius “It's okay to disagree with the thoughts or opinions expressed by other people. That doesn't give you the right to deny any sense they might make. Nor does it give you a right to accuse someone of poorly expressing their beliefs just because you don't like what they are saying. Learn to recognize good writing when you read it, even if it means overcoming your pride and opening your mind beyond what is comfortable.” Ashly Lorenzana You should set your mind to be open but not open your mind to being set.It's an answer in itself. I am sure @Muriel understands what I mean. No philosophy for now. It was just a detour.Back to Daniel.
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King G, is that a fact? I dont think it is! I meet the criteria but still will be ignored. Maka, yes it definitely is. Hence the question. Coolio, thanks for the hint. It really requires uchambuzi. Alphdoti, A moral bone for you to mull over and implement accordingly, but definitely in another thread as Tycho suggests. Quote:Sura 33:21 ye have indeed in the messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the final day....... Mohammed and Aisha. Mohammed and Zainab. In short, pay attention to what Symbols and Tycho are telling you. Mcreggae, what was the elephant in the room? By the way this is your education too. Take note of response so far. Because I dont think he is ignoring. More like cant. But there is still time, opportunity, room for redemption. Symbols, indeed, back to Daniel.
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