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tycho
#51 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:16:36 PM
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Muriel wrote:
"So Man always has Gods company. Not to have it, is to ....."

Always:
at all times; all the time and on every occasion
without variation or change, in every case
without interruption
at any time or in any event
forever; throughout all time

"Not to have it ....."
Not to have Gods company:
Not all times, some of the time, on some occassions
with variation and change, not in every case
with interruption
not at any time
temporary

Try again, please. Clearly. With less internal conflict, preferably none.

How?


I believe my post is as it should be. And you are right in seeing internal conflict.

Man abstracting himself.

It's a spiral of abstraction to infinity. But each utterance is also finite. And consciousness is also finite.

And among the conscious elements of Man is a negation of God.

Which implies a negation of the Man himself. But Man is a city. A joining of parts, roles, engagement, union.

Being lonely is to be 'not man'. Disintegration.

Yet it's a choice. A choice that is selfish, and murderous. Cain's choice.

But how did it go after the first murder? The fear of being murdered in turn, leads to a pact between murderer and God, to prevent murder.

It couldn't be otherwise.
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Muriel
#52 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:25:44 PM
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So you are saying simply that man is finite.
Having recognized that humanity has a beginning.
Hence possibly, no, certain end?
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tycho
#53 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:48:24 AM
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Muriel wrote:
So you are saying simply that man is finite.
Having recognized that humanity has a beginning.
Hence possibly, no, certain end?


There's such a state as you've described. Yes. One among many states.

But you capture the essence of death that comes from eating the forbidden fruit.

Death isn't punishment, it's a necessary consequence of the transition from innocence to knowledge of good and evil. 'Man is finite, and his end uncertain'. I find so much shame in such being. In finding knowledge one is exposed as an impostor, one has to dash for twigs.

But being an impostor of who? Of God. Of ultimate power and knowledge. The serpent's lure.

After the act, the quest for knowledge is trampled under the heel. And death dominates; that now the days of Man are numbered.

'Devil worship' then, is the hate, and fear, and aversion for knowledge, and the structuring of life around 'twigs'.





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Muriel
#54 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:49:55 PM
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You are told "Dont eat that."
When:
1. You are not hungry with all other fruit around
2. You are not thirsty with sparkling brooks around
3. You are not tired with fresh new muscles
4. You are not blind in the clear daytime
5. You are not bored in the brand new world
6. etc

Then you eat. ABK!

After graduation you cannot even think of the elementary loom! After investing so much in the 'education' you can only think as far as leaves. Majani. What incompetence!

Afadhali before you attended school you were already doing binomial nomenclature now after school you only think of majani. Imagine!!!!

What kind of education was the teacher giving you? Defective!

What kind of knowledge can such a teacher impart to you? Ignorance!

Such a teacher surely deserves the heel! A whopping.

His students - guidance and counseling.
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tycho
#55 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:26:20 AM
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Muriel wrote:
You are told "Dont eat that."
When:
1. You are not hungry with all other fruit around
2. You are not thirsty with sparkling brooks around
3. You are not tired with fresh new muscles
4. You are not blind in the clear daytime
5. You are not bored in the brand new world
6. etc

Then you eat. ABK!

After graduation you cannot even think of the elementary loom! After investing so much in the 'education' you can only think as far as leaves. Majani. What incompetence!

Afadhali before you attended school you were already doing binomial nomenclature now after school you only think of majani. Imagine!!!!

What kind of education was the teacher giving you? Defective!

What kind of knowledge can such a teacher impart to you? Ignorance!

Such a teacher surely deserves the heel! A whopping.

His students - guidance and counseling.


Man is the student. Your anger his anger.

Guidance and counseling isn't enough. For it's all about knowledge of good and evil, and choosing. Choices have already been made. They'll be made.

Plus, why counsel the dead? How can death be defeated?

You can't kill it. So perhaps a substitute should be found. A hierarchy of values.

The 'students' couldn't think of the loom. They were guilty.

Let those whose ways are straight find the substitute and 'loom'. Do they exist? Finding them is finding God.

Not finding them is 'Devil worship'. Regression, fixation on the trauma. Death.

Devil worship is fixation with death.
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Muriel
#56 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:35:36 PM
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Quite slick.

Lets agree to disagree.

The students ate and degenerated and surely died.
Or

The students ate and regenerated and surely did not die.
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tycho
#57 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:28:47 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Quite slick.

Lets agree to disagree.

The students ate and degenerated and surely died.
Or

The students ate and regenerated and surely did not die.





They ate and surely died. But, someone didn't want them dead (the one who warned them about death in the first place). So he raised them up from the dead.
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Muriel
#58 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:06:17 PM
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So they ate and degenerated and surely died.

So the one who warned the students that if they ate they will die was right. Right?

Now that we have established his credibility,

Did he mention anything about acquiring knowledge, illumination, enlightenment from this specific, particular, singular instance of eating?

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tycho
#59 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:47:04 PM
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'Now Man has become like us'. He/they said.
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Muriel
#60 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:04:16 PM
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lol.

That is barely a quarter of the sentence they said.

What was unknown before eating that could only be known after eating? Knowledge?

He/they had already told the students what they needed to know earlier. He/they had described the tree as of ,,,,,,,, knowledge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,of,,,,,,,,,,,good and evil.d'oh!

By being told that the students hence already 'knew'.

The gist was in the students' (I hope I got the apostrophe right) ability to obey his / their express command. Eating hence implied disobedience and distrust.

So, yes He/they mentioned something about acquiring knowledge, illumination, enlightenment from this specific, particular, singular instance of eating.
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