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Outside of an authoritative refference point in the subject matter, this is a futile discussion. I need to ask @ mukiri though. What do you guys (charismatics/pentecostals) mean when you say you are 'binding the devil' ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mtu Biz wrote:Outside of an authoritative refference point in the subject matter, this is a futile discussion. I need to ask @ mukiri though. What do you guys (charismatics/pentecostals) mean when you say you are 'binding the devil' ? You are right. I have thought long and hard why you have said this and with every attempt to answer, I hit a roadblock - which was - how do I know it? You have made me think of the meaning of the word 'worship' as used by the original poster. Does 'worship' happen when one raises up his arms (or is prostrate, rolling on the ground or some other relevant physical movement) and says/whispers/moans/cries/weeps/shouts 'I worship you o <insert name of diety here>'? Because thinking about it, that is the only sense in which the phrase 'devil worship' makes sense. Example, Mukiri prays thus "Our dear Heavenly Father ....I worship you, I glorify your Holy Name, I exalt you..." To him that is 'worship'. By saying that he has 'worshipped' God and prepared Him for his (Mukiri) coming prayer etc. The worship is verbal. It is wordy. It is audio. Hence, those who worship the devil must also be doing the same. And if God can be manipulated by words (some derived from the bible) so can the devil, and get 'bound'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Nay-sayers aren't the two of you? You'd have to ask the meaning of those terminologies from the specific people who use them and/or most importantly from the Holy Spirit. A question, if I come across something that I'm not particularly for, here in Wazua or elsewhere, chances are that I ignore, brush it aside etc. Say for example if I was to argue with football lovers and call their indulgence a complete waste of time... and do it persistently; chance are they won't say of me as one who isn't interested in football, but one who is against football. Anti-football, if you may. Are you anti-christ?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mukiri wrote:Nay-sayers aren't the two of you? You'd have to ask the meaning of those terminologies from the specific people who use them and/or most importantly from the Holy Spirit.
A question, if I come across something that I'm not particularly for, here in Wazua or elsewhere, chances are that I ignore, brush it aside etc. Say for example if I was to argue with football lovers and call their indulgence a complete waste of time... and do it persistently; chance are they won't say of me as one who isn't interested in football, but one who is against football. Anti-football, if you may.
Are you anti-christ?
I am sorry for discussing you. Its impolite of me to do that. However the argument you are advancing now is a fallacy. Its called the Fallacy of False Equivalence. Now I give the floor to Mtu Biz's question that seeks a meaning to a terminology. A 'binding' terminology.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Mukiri wrote:tycho wrote:But the answer is on the mirror.
If you look at yourself, when naked, intently, to the third eye; you may chance to see the devil. I've seen him myself.
And even how you worship him. Then you can see God, then you become God.
I feel sorry for you. Life must be lonely for you. You are your own god, person, audience etc You come up with your own bullsh*t and believe it... and worse still, peddle it. Here is a small prayer for you.. Our dear Heavenly Father, My Lord, My God. I worship you, I glorify your Holy Name, I exalt you. Heavenly Father, you offered King Solomon anything that he may want; he asked for wisdom. The Bible says, that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Dear Lord,my God I pray that that its imparted that in my life, my thoughts, my spirit. That in everything I do, everything that I say and everything that I write, it will be reflected. That my deeds, my words, my writings will reflect my total submission to you. That they will be a testimony to Your Greatness and the glory shall be to You. I PRAY THAT THE SAME SHALL BE OF EVERY WAZUAN READING THIS. I ask for the manifestation and guidance of the Holy Spirit for every one of us. All these in the mighty name of our savior Jesus Christ. AMEN. Hahaha! I expected this from you. But I find your response most revealing. You call what I say bullshit, and proceed to pray and ask God for it. But you pray like the loud Pharisee who we were warned against. Lonely? I doubt it. And why do you think my being is so cheap as to be peddled? And to whom can the Man God peddle his being? Hahaha! Tychos life is lonely? I thought he had me and maybe others to dance with? Donge Tycho? Anyway, I have read and re-read the prayer and the following shouted and screamed at me Quote:That my deeds, my words, my writings will reflect my total submission to you. That they will be a testimony to Your Greatness and the glory shall be to You. Really? Seriously, really? '. . . and neither is a crowd company'. But you remind me of 'the dance'; hence the anatomy of loneliness becomes discernible. Loneliness is 'devil worship'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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In the 'begining', God said 'Let us . . .' Is it possible to think without a 'begining'? Or even converse? Humanity must have a begining, and it must entail a kind of collaboration that is a unity, and a verbalization. It's God. So Man always has God's company. Not to have it, is to deny goodness. To embrace evil and worship the devil.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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"So Man always has Gods company. Not to have it, is to ....."
Always:
at all times; all the time and on every occasion
without variation or change, in every case
without interruption
at any time or in any event
forever; throughout all time
"Not to have it ....."
Not to have Gods company:
Not all times, some of the time, on some occassions
with variation and change, not in every case
with interruption
not at any time
temporary
Try again, please. Clearly. With less internal conflict, preferably none.
How?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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If its true Gods company has always been available for man then.
Either man has not always availed his company to God, to be with God.
Man has not always been God.
The possibilities arising from your statement.
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