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Total Kenya 1H13 turnaround to PAT of 461M
mwekez@ji
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:14:25 PM
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muganda
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:53:23 AM
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37% is commendable growth in revenue. Not sure why Total operating costs went up though (unlike Kenol).

Kenol profit attributable to forex, now Total to financing costs.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:33:06 AM
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:35:15 AM
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Company will do well at the end of the year. They have stolen low-margin-high-volume business from KK.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:38:02 AM
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muganda wrote:
Kenol profit attributable to forex


@muganda kindly refer me to this forex you and others keep on talking about in KKs earnings??
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mwekez@ji
#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:52:16 AM
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MD, Alexis Vovk, has resigned. Ms Ada Eze takes over. ... Today's exit announcements zaongezeka. Started with Home Afrika, now this, who's next
mkeiyd
#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:54:03 AM
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guru267 wrote:
muganda wrote:
Kenol profit attributable to forex


@muganda kindly refer me to this forex you and others keep on talking about in KKs earnings??


@guru, I believe this is the secong time you've put across the same question yet no one answers.

I think those who say profits are attributable to forex or costs containment just don't like oil stocks.

Factors that make a biz profitable are varied, if we start discounting each and every factor as @muganda is doing, what will we be left with?

It's like if Barca win through a Messi a goal,you say Barca ONLY won coz of Messi.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:58:33 AM
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good performance, but who do the profits belong to?
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mwekez@ji
#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:28:36 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
good performance, but who do the profits belong to?


Sad Sad ... 92.26% to Total Outre-Mer Sad ... 7.74% to us Sad
mwekez@ji
#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:40:53 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
good performance, but who do the profits belong to?


Sad Sad ... 92.26% to Total Outre-Mer Sad ... 7.74% to us Sad


... On the other hand, they have provided funds (p.shares) for low-margin-high-volume business ... KK is struggling to get the funds
muganda
#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:50:54 AM
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Hehehe @mkeiyd good analogy.

Alright for Kenol, slight improvements in core business:
Gross margin Kenol 4% Total 4%
EBITDA margin Kenol 2% Total 1.63%
Financing gain y/y over Sales Kenol 6% on forex Total 1.5% on financing

For Kenol, of the (5.6b) HY 2012 loss, a whopping 4b gain in HY 2013 from mitigating exchange losses. Assuming this position remained constant, Kenol would have reported a (3.9b) HY loss.

Quote:
2013 Commentary
The Kenya Shilling and local currencies in countries where we operate, depreciated agains the US dollar during the dix months. Due to tight management of the forex exposure, the resulting exchange loss is within expectations.

2012 commentary
The most significant impact on perforamnce has been the from Foreign Exchange losses of KShs 4.2 billion during the priod. This was due to the realized losses from the Foreign Exchange hedge positions.


mkeiyd wrote:
guru267 wrote:
muganda wrote:
Kenol profit attributable to forex


@muganda kindly refer me to this forex you and others keep on talking about in KKs earnings??


@guru, I believe this is the secong time you've put across the same question yet no one answers.

I think those who say profits are attributable to forex or costs containment just don't like oil stocks.

Factors that make a biz profitable are varied, if we start discounting each and every factor as @muganda is doing, what will we be left with?

It's like if Barca win through a Messi a goal,you say Barca ONLY won coz of Messi.

VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:17:19 PM
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muganda wrote:


For Kenol, of the (5.6b) HY 2012 loss, a whopping 4b gain in HY 2013 from mitigating exchange losses. Assuming this position remained constant, Kenol would have reported a (3.9b) HY loss.
It did not just as a firm cannot realistically expect similar (large) forex gains every year.

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