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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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The media has been misleading a lot on this project, some say its gonna take KES. 20 Billion, one journal claims KES. 120 billion and yesterday I had that UMK got over KES. 320 billion for the said project? Can 20 billion shillings reallt construct even the metre-gauge from Mombasa to Nairobi?  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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The 320 Billion covers economic partnerships,wildlife protection(really) and the standard gauge railway http://www.standardmedia...ion-agreement-with-chinaIf Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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I suspect the wildlife protection is an loss Insurance to the government in advance, the SGR line passes through a massive wildlife corridor (Msa to Malaba) and we should anticipate great losses of Our wildlife.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Will this SGR be constructed along the path of the Lunatic Express or will it take its own course? Will the Lunatic Gauge be uprooted henceforth or left to rote(spl)? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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GOOD READ ON THE MEGA PROJECTWe are already behind by a month!!!  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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The document talks of Mombasa - Kilifi - Kwale - Taita - Taveta - Makueni - Kajiado - Machakos and Nairobi. Am just having question marks about Msa - Kilifi - Kwale ...which rout is this?? Anyway once the project succeeds, it will make a lot os sense if we have a functioning commuter railcars since it will make a a lot of sense for one to work in Nrb and live in Nakuru , Machakos, Kajiado environs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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josimar wrote:The document talks of Mombasa - Kilifi - Kwale - Taita - Taveta - Makueni - Kajiado - Machakos and Nairobi. Am just having question marks about Msa - Kilifi - Kwale ...which rout is this?? Anyway once the project succeeds, it will make a lot os sense if we have a functioning commuter railcars since it will make a a lot of sense for one to work in Nrb and live in Nakuru , Machakos, Kajiado environs. The Kilifi/Kwale route I think is not the trck passing thru the actual towns but it will lip the counties...what I dont understand is whether the SGR will run over the current Lunatic line or it will be on its own new route. But still they can superimpose both the tracks on the same route without uprooting the other. The Lunatic line should be retain purely for its sentimental value...the man-eaters story and the like. What do u think? The only thing I still dislike is that the line will still be powered purely from diesel locos and and electric. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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It will be a different rail track , the existing Kenya- Uganda rail line is a narrow gauge line and cannot interchange or be connected to Standard Gauge Rail.Therefore if Uganda , Rwanda want to be connected to the new line they will also have to adapt the standard gauge railline. This is where the Chinese will reap benefits.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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josimar wrote:It will be a different rail track , the existing Kenya- Uganda rail line is a narrow gauge line and cannot interchange or be connected to Standard Gauge Rail.Therefore if Uganda , Rwanda want to be connected to the new line they will also have to adapt the standard gauge railline. This is where the Chinese will reap benefits. The SGR will require that we invest massively in new locos, wagons and coaches!!! Who will sell us all these? On the issue of the interchange, UG and Rwanda can maintain their narrow gauge but construct a major inland/dry dock at Malaba border so that they can transfer goods to their trains! I am however deeing massive massive relocation of masses and this may impact negatively on UK's re-election in 2018! I know UK will delay this project so that it starts well into his second and final term! Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Take this to the bank: This project has to be complete by 2017 – even if it is the Mombasa- Nairobi section, otherwise uhuruto should not expect second term. It will be built alongside existing lunatic corridor– RVR concession contract is protected by law so they will continue using lunatic and even compete with the new SGR once commissioned…
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:It will be a different rail track , the existing Kenya- Uganda rail line is a narrow gauge line and cannot interchange or be connected to Standard Gauge Rail.Therefore if Uganda , Rwanda want to be connected to the new line they will also have to adapt the standard gauge railline. This is where the Chinese will reap benefits. The SGR will require that we invest massively in new locos, wagons and coaches!!! Who will sell us all these? On the issue of the interchange, UG and Rwanda can maintain their narrow gauge but construct a major inland/dry dock at Malaba border so that they can transfer goods to their trains! I am however deeing massive massive relocation of masses and this may impact negatively on UK's re-election in 2018! I know UK will delay this project so that it starts well into his second and final term! Grainbulk Handlers is building a dry dock in Tororo named Great Lakes.They must have seen ahead.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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mawinder wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:It will be a different rail track , the existing Kenya- Uganda rail line is a narrow gauge line and cannot interchange or be connected to Standard Gauge Rail.Therefore if Uganda , Rwanda want to be connected to the new line they will also have to adapt the standard gauge railline. This is where the Chinese will reap benefits. The SGR will require that we invest massively in new locos, wagons and coaches!!! Who will sell us all these? On the issue of the interchange, UG and Rwanda can maintain their narrow gauge but construct a major inland/dry dock at Malaba border so that they can transfer goods to their trains! I am however deeing massive massive relocation of masses and this may impact negatively on UK's re-election in 2018! I know UK will delay this project so that it starts well into his second and final term! Grainbulk Handlers is building a dry dock in Tororo named Great Lakes.They must have seen ahead. I like the business acumen of these RAO friends...they know the countries in the hinter-land will not have enough money to move with speed the Kenya is moving with and construct an SGR.  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Impunity wrote:mawinder wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:It will be a different rail track , the existing Kenya- Uganda rail line is a narrow gauge line and cannot interchange or be connected to Standard Gauge Rail.Therefore if Uganda , Rwanda want to be connected to the new line they will also have to adapt the standard gauge railline. This is where the Chinese will reap benefits. The SGR will require that we invest massively in new locos, wagons and coaches!!! Who will sell us all these? On the issue of the interchange, UG and Rwanda can maintain their narrow gauge but construct a major inland/dry dock at Malaba border so that they can transfer goods to their trains! I am however deeing massive massive relocation of masses and this may impact negatively on UK's re-election in 2018! I know UK will delay this project so that it starts well into his second and final term! Grainbulk Handlers is building a dry dock in Tororo named Great Lakes.They must have seen ahead. I like the business acumen of these RAO friends...they know the countries in the hinter-land will not have enough money to move with speed the Kenya is moving with and construct an SGR. He sold his shareholding in the firm.Messi has a small stake in the firm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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These are the hard figures.. The shs425Billion from China will cover a number of projects including the standard gauge railway to Malaba and wildlife etc... www.businessdailyafrica....82/-/n4jmwv/-/index.htmlThe standard gauge railway will itself cost about shs320billion and will take up majority of China's money... www.corporate-digest.com...n-infrastructure-projectThe remaining 100Billion will most likely be deployed in other sectors! That railway will be up & running in no time with this financing!  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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If this happens before next election then I may change my camp in voting...I am so Railwayman! Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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josimar wrote:A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now. Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years. Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages. I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel. ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa. Portfolio: Sold
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Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now. Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years. Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages. I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel. ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa. CORD fanatics will derail the project! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now. Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years. Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages. I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel. ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa. Even Kenya has electric trains.Anyway,like in all govt. Projects people have to eat.
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