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Fuel tank logic
limanika
#31 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:51:39 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
while at it. when do the car consume more fuel while stopping at traffic lights. when on Neutral or Drive.

Check, compare the RPM in each case and come back tell us what you think the saving is…
Impunity
#32 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:14:22 PM
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limanika wrote:
Burning Spear wrote:
while at it. when do the car consume more fuel while stopping at traffic lights. when on Neutral or Drive.

Check, compare the RPM in each case and come back tell us what you think the saving is…


RPM is slightly high at neutral, but at Drive the RPM slows down but the car groans in pain and vibrates as it struggles to move but brakes zimenyongwo...its on load and thus consumes more power.
So RPM is not the correct measure.
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McReggae
#33 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:54:47 PM
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Impunity wrote:
limanika wrote:
Burning Spear wrote:
while at it. when do the car consume more fuel while stopping at traffic lights. when on Neutral or Drive.

Check, compare the RPM in each case and come back tell us what you think the saving is…


RPM is slightly high at neutral, but at Drive the RPM slows down but the car groans in pain and vibrates as it struggles to move but brakes zimenyongwo...its on load and thus consumes more power.
So RPM is not the correct measure.
Shame on you Shame on you


There is no much difference as the additional RPM is camcelled by the LOAD......it's advisable to always leave it on Drive.
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limanika
#34 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:00:38 PM
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At neutral the engine has to burn certain amount of gas to keep running… it is not in gear thus has to struggle a lot more.
The RPM is direct indication of the gas you are burning – Doesn’t this shows how many times the engine is revolving per minute? The more the RPM, the more the energy used?
You are actually better of engaged in Drive as this way you reduce the wear and tear when moving the stick. If however stopping for more than one minute, you are better of shutting of the engine.
Impunity
#35 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:24:14 PM
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limanika wrote:
At neutral the engine has to burn certain amount of gas to keep running… it is not in gear thus has to struggle a lot more.
The RPM is direct indication of the gas you are burning – Doesn’t this shows how many times the engine is revolving per minute? The more the RPM, the more the energy used?
You are actually better of engaged in Drive as this way you reduce the wear and tear when moving the stick. If however stopping for more than one minute, you are better of shutting of the engine.


At Neutral the engine struggles to run as compared to while on load???
Only if I were a blonde nurse, but with my heavy technical background, NO please, thank you.

@McReggae why is it normally advisable to leave it on drive? Any link please? My hand is always shifting that thinh to Neutral naturally when in stops!
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digitek1
#36 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:27:29 PM
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soo many conflicting conlusions.....
can we have an automobile expert start a sentence'without any fear of contradiction.....yes!
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limanika
#37 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:39:34 PM
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Impunity wrote:
limanika wrote:
At neutral the engine has to burn certain amount of gas to keep running… it is not in gear thus has to struggle a lot more.
The RPM is direct indication of the gas you are burning – Doesn’t this shows how many times the engine is revolving per minute? The more the RPM, the more the energy used?
You are actually better of engaged in Drive as this way you reduce the wear and tear when moving the stick. If however stopping for more than one minute, you are better of shutting of the engine.


At Neutral the engine struggles to run as compared to while on load???
Only if I were a blonde nurse, but with my heavy technical background, NO please, thank you.

@McReggae why is it normally advisable to leave it on drive? Any link please? My hand is always shifting that thinh to Neutral naturally when in stops!



Which load? The car is motionless, even if you release the brake it will come to a stop very shortly – provided there is no car ahead of you
limanika
#38 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:00:30 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
soo many conflicting conlusions.....
can we have an automobile expert start a sentence'without any fear of contradiction.....yes!

Even ‘automobile experts’ may not agree… Let us agree to disagree
sparkly
#39 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:43:49 PM
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limanika wrote:
@Impunity, there is no notable vaporisation in my opinion. Please take note:
• Fuel tanks are located on the sheltered underside of the cars, so no much temperature rise within or in vicinity of the tank. Gasoline evaporates at 350C at atmospheric pressure.
• The fuel tank has air tight lid, so no vapour leaks out of the tank.
• The air in fuel tank is always saturated with gasoline vapour, so there is negligible vaporisation.
If you left your car with half full tank for considerable period of time, how long would it take for all the fuel to vaporise and disappear?


Also evaporation occurs on the surface of the liquid. The rate of evaporation remains the same whether the container is half or three quarter full, as long as the exposed surface is the same.

It also hard for me to fathom that @CLK can lose 60 litres of petrol per month to evaporation, from a differential in refueling at the empty as opposed to halfway mark!
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Impunity
#40 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 12:42:46 PM
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limanika wrote:
Impunity wrote:
limanika wrote:
At neutral the engine has to burn certain amount of gas to keep running… it is not in gear thus has to struggle a lot more.
The RPM is direct indication of the gas you are burning – Doesn’t this shows how many times the engine is revolving per minute? The more the RPM, the more the energy used?
You are actually better of engaged in Drive as this way you reduce the wear and tear when moving the stick. If however stopping for more than one minute, you are better of shutting of the engine.


At Neutral the engine struggles to run as compared to while on load???
Only if I were a blonde nurse, but with my heavy technical background, NO please, thank you.

@McReggae why is it normally advisable to leave it on drive? Any link please? My hand is always shifting that thinh to Neutral naturally when in stops!



Which load? The car is motionless, even if you release the brake it will come to a stop very shortly – provided there is no car ahead of you


So if you leave your car on drive and lift your feet off the brake pedal if moves then stops after a short while? Mine moves at 10km/h indefinitely not unless you drive an automatic gear bulldozer!
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