this is not about you or other groups or anyone else. Lets not mention them, but because you have brought it up just a brief intro that I think is relevant; I remember maxwel very well, despite the passage of years.

My dad was also a rebel much like you and he let my mom a staunch catholic bring us up as, well, staunch catholics.

We had done all the rites; baptism, confirmation etc but they still maintained their links to us up to today when I see you are advertising for a camp meeting. So its hard for me to reconcile my knowledge about you and your description about yourself. You see the hard spot you have put me in?

And I find it strange that Adventists bend over backward to appease even when there nothing to apologize for or feel angry about.

And as I told mukiri earlier, rather than criticize the person, I would look beyond him to the system of beliefs he / she holds. Therefore, I have just read through fundamental beliefs just to be sure.

Lets talk about those things that have induced rebellion, in this case trousers.

What I want to know is have they given the members precise measurements of cloth to wear much as a uniform or is it left to the discretion of the members but limited to certain parameters?

If the members are given freedom within limits I see no point of testing those limits. The limits are the super conservative to the super liberal.

The clash between these two reminds me of a fable.

Some birds, for some reason, found a way into the chicken coop. A fox also got in. But it was the birds that made the most commotion fluttering and squawking about. Now whereas it was the birds that needed urgently to be removed to maintain some semblance of peace, it was the fox that would do the most damage.

The moral of the story is that the trousers are the birds in the Adventist coop.

What / where is the fox?

Camp almost done. And I have been seeing people in trousers and no one bothers about them....

So I have made my first (sleuths, please not the italics for your future reference to help fill in the blanks) purchase of books at camp.

Adventist Home - I want to know how the Adventist home ought to be. Maybe I will understand CLKs rebellion.

Child Guidance - I want to know how the conduct of Adventist parents and children ought to be. Maybe I will understand CLKs rebellion again.

Adventurer Awards & Resource Manual - CLK has mentioned Adventurers, I want to know what they do.

Early Writings - A potentially good read.

I will return shortly.

Yes ma'am the one and the same.

Saturday I will be working, but will see if possible afternoon. But still plan to attend the whole day one of these Saturdays.

But I hope we will still discuss after I have read.

Hello mum.

The camp was awesome!

So I started with that Child Guidance and read a bit of it specifically Chapters 65 and 66. I checked out the table of contents first and thought they might be interesting.

Would you, reconsider your rebellion in the matter of trousers if you discover it is without cause?

Because I found that:
1. Adventists can follow prevailing customs if modest, healthtul and convenient.
2. No precise style has been given to Adventists.
3. Adventists should avoid extremes in dress.
4. Adventists should avoid any device designed to attract attention to the wearer or excite admiration and also to avoid being shabbily dressed.
5. Adventists should remember that God considered the matter of dress of sufficient importance enough to give explicit directions in regard to it.
6. Adventists should not make dress a subject of controversy and try to be the conscience of the next person and each to have their own conscience.

The Adventist Home.

Quite interesting but could not find where this subject is described explicitly.

chapter 55 'Moral Standards' there is mention of 'Both men and women must keep their place and live above reproach' - that the mind of a man or woman does not come down in a moment from purity and holiness to depravity, corruption and crime so by beholding you become changed. So women professing the truth to keep strict guard over themselves lest the least encouragement be given to unwarrantable familiarity.

Halafu

'women must hold high standard of conduct' - she may have had no unlawful purpose or motive but she has given encouragement to men who are tempted and who need all the help they can get from those associated with them.

lol ati



I think that whereas each one has a duty to control his thoughts, others must help him by doing their part by avoiding to lay a 'trap' for him.


CLK, CLK, are you still around or you have gone?