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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:There are numerous inconsistencies in religion that if you try to dig deeper, they tell u NOT TO QUESTION GOD. The intelligent hit a brick wall n walk away. @simo ask. I invite you to ask those questions you have. And promise to reflect on my answers, even reconsider, research objectively with open heart and open mind the evidence I will share with you. Shoot... Here is one @AlphDoti ..why sometimes are innocent children born of ordinary parents afflicted with terrible and painful diseases? There are cases in papers that bring tears to your eyes. ..why does a loving God allow that to happen to little innocent souls? @quicksand you ask why some people are born healthy, some in poor family, some in rich family? 1. Allah says in the Quran, sura ankabut 29:2" Do you think just by saying we believe, will Allah let you go? And Allah will not test you?" This verse says that mere lip profession of Faith is not enough. It must he tried and tested in the real turmoil of life. The test will be applied in all kinds of circumstances, to see whether we can strive constantly. 2. Allah says in Quran sura Baqara 2:155" Surely, We'll test you with fear and hunger, loss of property or lives, or loss of fruits of your toil. And only those who will pass, those of patience and perseverance" 3. Allah says in sura Anfal 8:28" your wealth and your progeny (your children) is a test for you" 4. So in Islam we believe that this life is a test for hereafterAnd Allah tests different people at different ways, and depending upon surroundings. And based on what Allah gives you, he will test you accordingly. For example: - if question paper is difficult, the teacher will mark that paper leniently. - if the question paper is easy, then the teacher will mark the paper more strictly. NICK VUJICIC - No arms, No legs, No worries!The Rich Are Different: More Money, Less Empathy 
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ecstacy wrote:A University of Rochester study using 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers. It's scientific. Your thoughts? THIS IS THE FACT OF THE MATTER!!! LUKE 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. (NIV) LUKE 16:8 "The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. Atheists, being more worldly are intelligent in the things of the world, but not intelligent in the things of The Kingdom.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:There are numerous inconsistencies in religion that if you try to dig deeper, they tell u NOT TO QUESTION GOD. The intelligent hit a brick wall n walk away. @simo ask. I invite you to ask those questions you have. And promise to reflect on my answers, even reconsider, research objectively with open heart and open mind the evidence I will share with you. Shoot... Here is one @AlphDoti ..why sometimes are innocent children born of ordinary parents afflicted with terrible and painful diseases? There are cases in papers that bring tears to your eyes. ..why does a loving God allow that to happen to little innocent souls? @quicksand you ask why some people are born healthy, some in poor family, some in rich family? 1. Allah says in the Quran, sura ankabut 29:2" Do you think just by saying we believe, will Allah let you go? And Allah will not test you?" This verse says that mere lip profession of Faith is not enough. It must he tried and tested in the real turmoil of life. The test will be applied in all kinds of circumstances, to see whether we can strive constantly. 2. Allah says in Quran sura Baqara 2:155" Surely, We'll test you with fear and hunger, loss of property or lives, or loss of fruits of your toil. And only those who will pass, those of patience and perseverance" 3. Allah says in sura Anfal 8:28" your wealth and your progeny (your children) is a test for you" 4. So in Islam we believe that this life is a test for hereafterAnd Allah tests different people at different ways, and depending upon surroundings. And based on what Allah gives you, he will test you accordingly. For example: - if question paper is difficult, the teacher will mark that paper leniently. - if the question paper is easy, then the teacher will mark the paper more strictly. NICK VUJICIC - No arms, No legs, No worries!The Rich Are Different: More Money, Less Empathy  Hmmm ...but look at it from the point of greatly suffering child. What is it being tested for? For some of them, cognition in things like knowing about God, good and evil, has not begun. A kid is just a clean slate, a canvas on which humans and the environment will make impressions. It is just pain (for the child). Why?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:There are numerous inconsistencies in religion that if you try to dig deeper, they tell u NOT TO QUESTION GOD. The intelligent hit a brick wall n walk away. @simo ask. I invite you to ask those questions you have. And promise to reflect on my answers, even reconsider, research objectively with open heart and open mind the evidence I will share with you. Shoot... Here is one @AlphDoti ..why sometimes are innocent children born of ordinary parents afflicted with terrible and painful diseases? There are cases in papers that bring tears to your eyes. ..why does a loving God allow that to happen to little innocent souls? @quicksand you ask why some people are born healthy, some in poor family, some in rich family? 1. Allah says in the Quran, sura ankabut 29:2" Do you think just by saying we believe, will Allah let you go? And Allah will not test you?" This verse says that mere lip profession of Faith is not enough. It must he tried and tested in the real turmoil of life. The test will be applied in all kinds of circumstances, to see whether we can strive constantly. 2. Allah says in Quran sura Baqara 2:155" Surely, We'll test you with fear and hunger, loss of property or lives, or loss of fruits of your toil. And only those who will pass, those of patience and perseverance" 3. Allah says in sura Anfal 8:28" your wealth and your progeny (your children) is a test for you" 4. So in Islam we believe that this life is a test for hereafterAnd Allah tests different people at different ways, and depending upon surroundings. And based on what Allah gives you, he will test you accordingly. For example: - if question paper is difficult, the teacher will mark that paper leniently. - if the question paper is easy, then the teacher will mark the paper more strictly. NICK VUJICIC - No arms, No legs, No worries!The Rich Are Different: More Money, Less Empathy  Hmmm ...but look at it from the point of greatly suffering child. What is it being tested for? For some of them, cognition in things like knowing about God, good and evil, has not begun. A kid is just a clean slate, a canvas on which humans and the environment will make impressions. It is just pain (for the child). Why? Evil, and good, are inherent in nature. Humanity is about harmony with nature. Focus is on the present. Seeing the evil in us, and with us, and transforming.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:There are numerous inconsistencies in religion that if you try to dig deeper, they tell u NOT TO QUESTION GOD. The intelligent hit a brick wall n walk away. @simo ask. I invite you to ask those questions you have. And promise to reflect on my answers, even reconsider, research objectively with open heart and open mind the evidence I will share with you. Shoot... Here is one @AlphDoti ..why sometimes are innocent children born of ordinary parents afflicted with terrible and painful diseases? There are cases in papers that bring tears to your eyes. ..why does a loving God allow that to happen to little innocent souls? @quicksand you ask why some people are born healthy, some in poor family, some in rich family? 1. Allah says in the Quran, sura ankabut 29:2" Do you think just by saying we believe, will Allah let you go? And Allah will not test you?" This verse says that mere lip profession of Faith is not enough. It must he tried and tested in the real turmoil of life. The test will be applied in all kinds of circumstances, to see whether we can strive constantly. 2. Allah says in Quran sura Baqara 2:155" Surely, We'll test you with fear and hunger, loss of property or lives, or loss of fruits of your toil. And only those who will pass, those of patience and perseverance" 3. Allah says in sura Anfal 8:28" your wealth and your progeny (your children) is a test for you" 4. So in Islam we believe that this life is a test for hereafterAnd Allah tests different people at different ways, and depending upon surroundings. And based on what Allah gives you, he will test you accordingly. For example: - if question paper is difficult, the teacher will mark that paper leniently. - if the question paper is easy, then the teacher will mark the paper more strictly. NICK VUJICIC - No arms, No legs, No worries!The Rich Are Different: More Money, Less Empathy Hmmm ...but look at it from the point of greatly suffering child. What is it being tested for? For some of them, cognition in things like knowing about God, good and evil, has not begun. A kid is just a clean slate, a canvas on which humans and the environment will make impressions. It is just pain (for the child). Why? Evil, and good, are inherent in nature. Humanity is about harmony with nature. Focus is on the present. Seeing the evil in us, and with us, and transforming. 5. So regarding the logical concept of why - some people are born in rich family, - some people in poor family I like to refer you to the system of Islam, the third pillar saysevery rich person should give 2.5% of his savings in charity every lunar year Maybe very few rich people will actually give. Majority may give only part of it, so in charity, they get less marks. Some may not give nothing, they get zero marks on charity. 6. For the poor man who does not anything does not have to give zakatSo in this (zakat) he gets full mark. People think oh poor man, but God says wealth is a test for you The prophet said it is difficult for rich man to enter heaven. Jesus (peace be upon him) said the same. So wealth is a difficult test!!For example 2: - if in a certain year, a very difficult exam comes. - then if in the following year, no exam come, then you should be happy - because difficult questions didn't come - you do not cry - but we human beings, we think opposite - we say, oh so and so is poor man, he is a sad person - it may be good for him, because the difficult test for wealth he is not undergoing - if he had the wealth, the test of wealth is very difficult! - maybe he would have failed So Allah tests different people in different ways.
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Let's be honest if you pass KCSE you go to med sch, if you fail KCSE you start thinking of bible school or maybe start finding other meaning of life. I have never heard of anyone who opt out of med sch to go to bible school!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:There are numerous inconsistencies in religion that if you try to dig deeper, they tell u NOT TO QUESTION GOD. The intelligent hit a brick wall n walk away. @simo ask. I invite you to ask those questions you have. And promise to reflect on my answers, even reconsider, research objectively with open heart and open mind the evidence I will share with you. Shoot... Here is one @AlphDoti ..why sometimes are innocent children born of ordinary parents afflicted with terrible and painful diseases? There are cases in papers that bring tears to your eyes. ..why does a loving God allow that to happen to little innocent souls? @quicksand you ask why some people are born healthy, some in poor family, some in rich family? 1. Allah says in the Quran, sura ankabut 29:2" Do you think just by saying we believe, will Allah let you go? And Allah will not test you?" This verse says that mere lip profession of Faith is not enough. It must he tried and tested in the real turmoil of life. The test will be applied in all kinds of circumstances, to see whether we can strive constantly. 2. Allah says in Quran sura Baqara 2:155" Surely, We'll test you with fear and hunger, loss of property or lives, or loss of fruits of your toil. And only those who will pass, those of patience and perseverance" 3. Allah says in sura Anfal 8:28" your wealth and your progeny (your children) is a test for you" 4. So in Islam we believe that this life is a test for hereafterAnd Allah tests different people at different ways, and depending upon surroundings. And based on what Allah gives you, he will test you accordingly. For example: - if question paper is difficult, the teacher will mark that paper leniently. - if the question paper is easy, then the teacher will mark the paper more strictly. NICK VUJICIC - No arms, No legs, No worries!The Rich Are Different: More Money, Less Empathy Hmmm ...but look at it from the point of greatly suffering child. What is it being tested for? For some of them, cognition in things like knowing about God, good and evil, has not begun. A kid is just a clean slate, a canvas on which humans and the environment will make impressions. It is just pain (for the child). Why? Evil, and good, are inherent in nature. Humanity is about harmony with nature. Focus is on the present. Seeing the evil in us, and with us, and transforming. 5. So regarding the logical concept of why - some people are born in rich family, - some people in poor family I like to refer you to the system of Islam, the third pillar saysevery rich person should give 2.5% of his savings in charity every lunar year Maybe very few rich people will actually give. Majority may give only part of it, so in charity, they get less marks. Some may not give nothing, they get zero marks on charity. 6. For the poor man who does not anything does not have to give zakatSo in this (zakat) he gets full mark. People think oh poor man, but God says wealth is a test for you The prophet said it is difficult for rich man to enter heaven. Jesus (peace be upon him) said the same. So wealth is a difficult test!!For example 2: - if in a certain year, a very difficult exam comes. - then if in the following year, no exam come, then you should be happy - because difficult questions didn't come - you do not cry - but we human beings, we think opposite - we say, oh so and so is poor man, he is a sad person - it may be good for him, because the difficult test for wealth he is not undergoing - if he had the wealth, the test of wealth is very difficult! - maybe he would have failed So Allah tests different people in different ways. @AlphaDoti, you are making scholarly arguments, based on edicts and rules of religious books. I am trying to ask from a compassion point of view. Let me draw a parallel here. A man is blessed with a huge family, with many beautiful boy and girl infants, all of whom he loves dearly. If an infant getting a terrible affliction is like pulling a charcoal poker from the kiln and piercing a kid with it in the abdomen, how would he go about it? Why go on about it? Because this is the scenario of compassion similar to what religion asks us to believe. Why doesn't God intervene and save innocent kids from immense suffering? ...picture an evil person intrudes your home and starts battering your children, would you watch resignedly and say 'meeh, the world is evil' or 'this is a test'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:quicksand wrote:AlphDoti wrote:simonkabz wrote:There are numerous inconsistencies in religion that if you try to dig deeper, they tell u NOT TO QUESTION GOD. The intelligent hit a brick wall n walk away. @simo ask. I invite you to ask those questions you have. And promise to reflect on my answers, even reconsider, research objectively with open heart and open mind the evidence I will share with you. Shoot... Here is one @AlphDoti ..why sometimes are innocent children born of ordinary parents afflicted with terrible and painful diseases? There are cases in papers that bring tears to your eyes. ..why does a loving God allow that to happen to little innocent souls? @quicksand you ask why some people are born healthy, some in poor family, some in rich family? 1. Allah says in the Quran, sura ankabut 29:2" Do you think just by saying we believe, will Allah let you go? And Allah will not test you?" This verse says that mere lip profession of Faith is not enough. It must he tried and tested in the real turmoil of life. The test will be applied in all kinds of circumstances, to see whether we can strive constantly. 2. Allah says in Quran sura Baqara 2:155" Surely, We'll test you with fear and hunger, loss of property or lives, or loss of fruits of your toil. And only those who will pass, those of patience and perseverance" 3. Allah says in sura Anfal 8:28" your wealth and your progeny (your children) is a test for you" 4. So in Islam we believe that this life is a test for hereafterAnd Allah tests different people at different ways, and depending upon surroundings. And based on what Allah gives you, he will test you accordingly. For example: - if question paper is difficult, the teacher will mark that paper leniently. - if the question paper is easy, then the teacher will mark the paper more strictly. NICK VUJICIC - No arms, No legs, No worries!The Rich Are Different: More Money, Less Empathy Hmmm ...but look at it from the point of greatly suffering child. What is it being tested for? For some of them, cognition in things like knowing about God, good and evil, has not begun. A kid is just a clean slate, a canvas on which humans and the environment will make impressions. It is just pain (for the child). Why? Evil, and good, are inherent in nature. Humanity is about harmony with nature. Focus is on the present. Seeing the evil in us, and with us, and transforming. 5. So regarding the logical concept of why - some people are born in rich family, - some people in poor family I like to refer you to the system of Islam, the third pillar saysevery rich person should give 2.5% of his savings in charity every lunar year Maybe very few rich people will actually give. Majority may give only part of it, so in charity, they get less marks. Some may not give nothing, they get zero marks on charity. 6. For the poor man who does not anything does not have to give zakatSo in this (zakat) he gets full mark. People think oh poor man, but God says wealth is a test for you The prophet said it is difficult for rich man to enter heaven. Jesus (peace be upon him) said the same. So wealth is a difficult test!!For example 2: - if in a certain year, a very difficult exam comes. - then if in the following year, no exam come, then you should be happy - because difficult questions didn't come - you do not cry - but we human beings, we think opposite - we say, oh so and so is poor man, he is a sad person - it may be good for him, because the difficult test for wealth he is not undergoing - if he had the wealth, the test of wealth is very difficult! - maybe he would have failed So Allah tests different people in different ways. @AlphaDoti, you are making scholarly arguments, based on edicts and rules of religious books. I am trying to ask from a compassion point of view. Let me draw a parallel here. A man is blessed with a huge family, with many beautiful boy and girl infants, all of whom he loves dearly. If an infant getting a terrible affliction is like pulling a charcoal poker from the kiln and piercing a kid with it in the abdomen, how would he go about it? Why go on about it? Because this is the scenario of compassion similar to what religion asks us to believe. Why doesn't God intervene and save innocent kids from immense suffering? ...picture an evil person intrudes your home and starts battering your children, would you watch resignedly and say 'meeh, the world is evil' or 'this is a test'? Even while evil is in nature, it's a conscious experience, just like God is. And this God consciousness entails Man being a reflection, an image. Hence God intervenes, when Man intervenes. The mystery of God puts Man at the Center stage.
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Mukiri wrote:ecstacy wrote:Mukiri wrote:ecstacy wrote:A University of Rochester study using 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers. It's scientific. Your thoughts? This one is mberrow!  Pure attack by the enemy! I'd rather remain with my un-intelligence in the Lord! Mr Mukiri, why do you feel attacked? Science doesn't know Mukiri. It knows facts. And it differs on some fundamental issues with religion. Creation vs Evolution is one. I haven't had a look at the purported 'research', for which I have alot of questions... religious people cut across all walks of life; from professors, doctors to our fore-fathers. I do know the most intelligent 'person' was Jesus Christ.. He who gave us the Bible's New Testament. A proven, tried and tested guide for life then, now and in future. @Mukiri, have you read the article? Anyway, quick question, why quote the Bible to me instead of the Koran as an example?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Rollout wrote:Let's be honest if you pass KCSE you go to med sch, if you fail KCSE you start thinking of bible school or maybe start finding other meaning of life. I have never heard of anyone who opt out of med sch to go to bible school! I wanted to tell pastor Mukiri that in a polite language nikashindwa!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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