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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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Wendz wrote:a4architect.com wrote:GGK wrote:@A4Architect,
On the idea of sharing... when 12 families share an 1/8... it points to apartments block. I like the idea. But the 12No community need to have a very uniform thought. Very difficult. I've tried to organize six people... its not easy now 12?
45Km is nothing... I know people who commute from Kenol (on your way to Sagana) approx 54Km.
To ensure uniformity of thought, that's where laws regulating LLC operations eg 51% majority decisions overriding minority, sectional ownership laws come in to play. Majority will make the decision to overide minority, just like the numerous apartments in Kile,Lavington etc which are well run through respect of LLC and sectional ownership laws by all/majority. 12 is the maximum number of bedsitters on a 1/8th plot.This is on the asumption that all 12 bedsitters will be owned by different people.Maybe each will own 2 hence only 6 owners to deal with. Sounds like a great idea. Just getting people organised might the the harder part... unless people are buying into an already thought out idea by a few with major issued already agreed upon, and then if they like it, they comply and are allowed minimum changes is any.... just like the "gated communities" we have around. @wends. sure. Its a great idea. I have done the initial thinking out of the layouts here www.a4architect.com/discuss/I have also done initial ownership documentation to guide and reduce chances of conflict. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Hello Joined: 8/11/2013 Posts: 8
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Any one out there selling or know someone selling legit plot in Kamulu? I am around 250k. Only serious legit sellers/contacts. I will go through all legit process.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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pazua0219 wrote:Any one out there selling or know someone selling legit plot in Kamulu? I am around 250k. Only serious legit sellers/contacts. I will go through all legit process. @Pazua. Welcome to Wazua. You have been advise by several people here that you will not get a plot at Kamulu for 250K. I know the area too well having tembead extensively there and I can Assure you of that. Unless you go 5 Kilometres off Kangundo road at kamulu, which I still doubt you will get at that Price as Speculators have taken advantage of the Greater eastern Bypass Coming up early next year and Price are up the roof. At 250K, you will need to go Past KBC. Again at KBC, You will need to go 2.5 kilometer plus, off Kangundo road. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Hello Joined: 8/11/2013 Posts: 8
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@am. Thanks for details. Much appreciated.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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wilyum wrote:pazua0219 wrote:I have 250k and looking for an affordable plot in Kamulu preferably between 50x100 and 100x100 to try and live rent free by building my own living quarters. I don't mind distance from tarmac as long as security is good and with water and electricity or potential to access them now or in future.
I would like to buy directly from owner. I am patient enough for all land check and process and above the table transaction....its hard earned cash and cant afford risk loosing to a holoi polloi con
Serious sellers get in touch. May stretch buying price a little bit.
make that 400k and can talk. Where can I get one for about 400-600k Not very far off the road? You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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These Kenyan land price appreciation rates of over 20% per annum dont make economic sense. The only way out is idle land taxation. If this is not possible, pooling of resources to afford land closer to Nairobi cbd/tarmac road is also a good solution. http://www.a4architect.com/discuss/
Since most land buyers use the land for residential, no need for huge land surface.Just enough to live in would do . After all, most people in Nairobi live in apartments with minimal interaction to ground level. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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a4architect.com wrote:These Kenyan land price appreciation rates of over 20% per annum dont make economic sense. The only way out is idle land taxation. If this is not possible, pooling of resources to afford land closer to Nairobi cbd/tarmac road is also a good solution. http://www.a4architect.com/discuss/
Since most land buyers use the land for residential, no need for huge land surface.Just enough to live in would do . After all, most people in Nairobi live in apartments with minimal interaction to ground level. @a4a,The challenge with land taxation is how to define idle land. Eg The Delameres can claim their land is used for commercial hay growing whereas some people may consider that as idle. We all know who owns majority of the land and that makes the debate even much more emotive. Other options would be for the County Governments to develop housing schemes ( Similar to what NHC used to do b4 politicians got better ideas on how to deal with NHC Schemes)and either sell ( and generate one off Income and perpetual flow of rates and fees income & services provision) or provide basic infrastructure on own land and then invite buyers to build there and pay rates/fees in perpetuity and earn income. The County's can raise bonds ( like what Mbaru had in his Manifesto). County's have limitless options to generate income and solve the housing problems before all the land if gone. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@gathige..all land in Kenya has specified user eg agric, residential, commercial etc. Govt determines the user. Govt can for example set delamers land to be 50% agric and 50% residential. For the agric, govt can use agric economists to calculate max output per acre under farming say 200bags of maize per acre. The value of this will be used to determine how idle the land is eg if he produces 100 bags instead of 200, land is 50% idle hence 50% idle land tax. For residential, value of rent per acre if ground +1 development with 50% ground coverage will be used. If say 1 acre has 10 houses each with 10k rent=100k, then the tax will be if the land derives less than 100k rent worth. Its currently being done in other countries successfully eg Japan, China, Hong Kong, Denmark, Pennsylvania etc As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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a4architect.com wrote:@gathige..all land in Kenya has specified user eg agric, residential, commercial etc.
Govt determines the user. Govt can for example set delamers land to be 50% agric and 50% residential. For the agric, govt can use agric economists to calculate max output per acre under farming say 200bags of maize per acre. The value of this will be used to determine how idle the land is eg if he produces 100 bags instead of 200, land is 50% idle hence 50% idle land tax. For residential, value of rent per acre if ground +1 development with 50% ground coverage will be used. If say 1 acre has 10 houses each with 10k rent=100k, then the tax will be if the land derives less than 100k rent worth.
Its currently being done in other countries successfully eg Japan, China, Hong Kong, Denmark, Pennsylvania etc Thanks,@a4a. If County's take this route they would really rake in cash. I like the reasoning and idea. Has there been a formal debate in Kenya on Idle land Taxation? "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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I also agree.... the rate at which land prices are going up will create a big problem coz it will soon be out of reach to many Kenyans. For urban land, the problem has been speculators. Am thinking there should be a way of dealing with this by punitively taxing the gains on sale where no value has been added. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Hello Joined: 8/11/2013 Posts: 8
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I wish to thank all that provided information when i appealed for a plot in Kamulu costing around 250k. I have established invaluable networks and most important of all I am on the verge of getting that plot. For those looking for a similar plot with limited cash, don't give up but make your appeal. i never believed people can be so helpful and honest. Kudos
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/15/2010 Posts: 126
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why not, people work in Nairobi and stay in Machakos 58KMs away "The trouble with not having a goal is that you can spend your life running up and down the field and never score". - Bill Copeland
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/21/2012 Posts: 1,739
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pazua0219 wrote:I wish to thank all that provided information when i appealed for a plot in Kamulu costing around 250k. I have established invaluable networks and most important of all I am on the verge of getting that plot. For those looking for a similar plot with limited cash, don't give up but make your appeal. i never believed people can be so helpful and honest. Kudos Ulipata Pande Gani? It is your turn to help others. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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GGK wrote:I also agree.... the rate at which land prices are going up will create a big problem coz it will soon be out of reach to many Kenyans. For urban land, the problem has been speculators. Am thinking there should be a way of dealing with this by punitively taxing the gains on sale where no value has been added.
@GGK, lets hope @Uhuruto Govt will see the need to tap into brain power that can assist in such research with an aim to implement. Without such, sooner or later, the land issue will cause anarchy/revolt. Until then, i have come up with a solution for people to pool resources to share 1/8th lands here. http://www.a4architect.com/discuss/
Land 14km from CBD along Ngong road behind Lenana school is surprisingly cheap and easily affordable through pooling. www.a4architect.com/disc...-land-acquisition-karen/I cringe to imagine the tiredness for people who travel all the way to n from Machakos to Town daily. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/21/2011 Posts: 1,010
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Meduza wrote:wilyum wrote:pazua0219 wrote:I have 250k and looking for an affordable plot in Kamulu preferably between 50x100 and 100x100 to try and live rent free by building my own living quarters. I don't mind distance from tarmac as long as security is good and with water and electricity or potential to access them now or in future.
I would like to buy directly from owner. I am patient enough for all land check and process and above the table transaction....its hard earned cash and cant afford risk loosing to a holoi polloi con
Serious sellers get in touch. May stretch buying price a little bit.
make that 400k and can talk. Where can I get one for about 400-600k Not very far off the road? email wilyumv at gmail
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