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CFC Stanbic half year 2013 results PBT up 81.6%
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#21 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 12:40:35 PM
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guru267 wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Again with the crappy dividend yield! Sad


No other bank is paying any interim dividend...........at least CFC Stanbic is paying something to its shareholders.


@stocksmaster I would rather be paid a reasonable dividend once a year than being paid crap twice a year!

CFC greatly underperforms the other big 4 on a ROA basis... its simply playing catch up!


@guru, I agree with you entirely. In fact, the crappy dividend is only paid once a year. How can a company make 4bn and pay out 0.25m. Something must be very wrong here.Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
the deal
#22 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 12:58:07 PM
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If you are not happy...sell me some...@thedeal is in the market...
young
#23 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 12:59:00 PM
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@Ericcson

It is difficult to declare a bank with multinational link like BBK as dead.If it was an indegenous bank without any secondary interest like Govt, multinationals., you would have made a valid point.

It would be hard for barclays HQ in UK to allow BBK die when more opportunities are coming and the economy is opening up.

This is just a down cycle of BBK, it will re-invent itself and move on.

For your info I am looking for 10,000 units of BBK to position for the bright future at 16.00 bob , I have already bought 5,000 units at 16.20 but I will still wait to get the balance at 16.00 bob or blow.

The situation of BBK is not as bad as Uchumi that made losses.
From my point of view , this is the time to key in at the bottom, for long standing shareholders it is better to hold it as the worst will be over in a couple of years with better focus and leadership.

Be aware KCB made a loss in year 2002, but it is a success story today.
My view is from long term perspective.
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#24 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 1:16:45 PM
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Interesting. As for BBK, a lot also hinges on the ABSA landing but they better be here to think & act local, otw, Aluta Continua.
FUNKY
#25 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 1:41:28 PM
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Cde Monomotapa
#26 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 2:18:02 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/CfC+Stanbic+net+profit+soars+to+Sh2+19bn/-/539550/1944724/-/mi0a2qz/-/index.html

+50% drop in interest expense. Ok. KCB FY'12: 11B
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#27 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 3:24:26 PM
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Give @the deal his props.He called it.Applause
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#28 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 4:35:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Again with the crappy dividend yield! Sad


No other bank is paying any interim dividend...........at least CFC Stanbic is paying something to its shareholders.


@stocksmaster I would rather be paid a reasonable dividend once a year than being paid crap twice a year!

CFC greatly underperforms the other big 4 on a ROA basis... its simply playing catch up!


Its all about volumes...........those volumes ensure my dividends will be a six figure and the capital gains so far a seven figure.

The reason i have taken such a huge position on this share is exactly as u rightly put it.........its playing catch up on the rest (and playing the catch up brilliantly!). As it grows at above 50% rates in order to catch up with the equivalent banks, so does my money.

Going forward, as I stated earlier in another post, this share will be trading at between Ksh 90-100 by March next year (at least a 30% return on investment within the next 6-7 months).

Happy Hunting.
young
#29 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 4:51:18 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
guru267 wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Again with the crappy dividend yield! Sad


No other bank is paying any interim dividend...........at least CFC Stanbic is paying something to its shareholders.


@stocksmaster I would rather be paid a reasonable dividend once a year than being paid crap twice a year!

CFC greatly underperforms the other big 4 on a ROA basis... its simply playing catch up!


Its all about volumes...........those volumes ensure my dividends will be a six figure and the capital gains so far a seven figure.

The reason i have taken such a huge position on this share is exactly as u rightly put it.........its playing catch up on the rest (and playing the catch up brilliantly!). As it grows at above 50% rates in order to catch up with the equivalent banks, so does my money.

Going forward, as I stated earlier in another post, this share will be trading at between Ksh 90-100 by March next year (at least a 30% return on investment within the next 6-7 months).

Happy Hunting.


@stocksmaster
Your arguement does not add up in terms of miserly dividend of CFC stanbic.

There is no way that your dividend will be 6 figures when the capital gain is 7 figures !!!

Your defence of 10 cents interim dividend was not typical of you, be factual as before as nobody is perfect.

You should rather emphasize that you are playing for capital gains not income, therefore you do not care about dividend.
That sounds more logical.

The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
mukiha
#30 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 4:52:16 PM
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Ever since the merger with Stanbic, I don't understand CFC anymore. What are its strong points in the market?

it becomes very difficult to predict how it will perform
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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#31 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:25:03 PM
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the deal
#32 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:39:01 PM
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1. CFC Stanbic is the no1 investment bank in Kenya or East Africa

2. Focus now is on the retail side...hoping by 2014 we see some real traction on this front...hopefully with the recent rate cut...lowest in the market folks will start borrowing...customer numbers have been growing...

3. People are becoming literate...I dont see how a financially literate person can accept near 0% interest on his deposits at Equity Bank....so more customers will stream in...resulting in opportunities.

4. If we can deliver above 50% growth when we are lending at 13.5% then everybody should be scared....because soon everyone will be taking loans at CFC.

5. This is a business with a castle around it-MOAT....

6. On dividends...why should a company pay a dividend when they see opportunities? Some companies will pay you a dividend today and take it away tomorrow through a rights issue....the last thing I need is a rights issue!!!
dunkang
#33 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:48:54 PM
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Is CFC Stanbic bank similar to standard bank?
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mwekez@ji
#34 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:56:32 PM
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dunkang wrote:

Is CFC Stanbic bank similar to standard bank?


Corporate profile

CfC Stanbic Holdings Limited is a subsidiary of Stanbic Africa Holdings Limited (“SAHL”), which is in turn owned by Standard Bank Group Limited, Africa‟s leading banking and financial services group.

CfC Stanbic Holdings Limited owns 100% of CfC Stanbic Bank Limited and 100% of CfC Stanbic Financial services Limited (now rebranded to Sbg Securities.)
mwekez@ji
#35 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 6:02:53 PM
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Rich Today wrote:
CFC StanBic rallied 3.62% [making that a +13.14% 2 consecutive session Rally] to close at 71.50. CFC StanBic trades on a Trailing PE of 7.222 [which is a Steep and unjustified Discount to its Peers] and the H1 2013 Earnings might well be the Catalyst for narrowing that Discount. CFC StanBic traded 149,000 shares and There was Buy Side Demand at the Closing Bell for 410% more shares than were traded during the entire session.

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#36 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 6:05:27 PM
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young wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:
guru267 wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Again with the crappy dividend yield! Sad


No other bank is paying any interim dividend...........at least CFC Stanbic is paying something to its shareholders.


@stocksmaster I would rather be paid a reasonable dividend once a year than being paid crap twice a year!

CFC greatly underperforms the other big 4 on a ROA basis... its simply playing catch up!


Its all about volumes...........those volumes ensure my dividends will be a six figure and the capital gains so far a seven figure.

The reason i have taken such a huge position on this share is exactly as u rightly put it.........its playing catch up on the rest (and playing the catch up brilliantly!). As it grows at above 50% rates in order to catch up with the equivalent banks, so does my money.

Going forward, as I stated earlier in another post, this share will be trading at between Ksh 90-100 by March next year (at least a 30% return on investment within the next 6-7 months).

Happy Hunting.


@stocksmaster
Your arguement does not add up in terms of miserly dividend of CFC stanbic.

There is no way that your dividend will be 6 figures when the capital gain is 7 figures !!!

Your defence of 10 cents interim dividend was not typical of you, be factual as before as nobody is perfect.

You should rather emphasize that you are playing for capital gains not income, therefore you do not care about dividend.
That sounds more logical.



@ Young: Good to hear from you! I am sure you have been pleasant surprised by KCB and its capital gains.

As i stated earlier, this share holds a lot of promise in terms of capital gains and dividend yields. The announced dividend is an interim dividend and hence the company will most probably announce a final dividend at the end of the year.

As you rightly stated, i have always been factual in my analysis and observations as evidenced by my previous threads: e.g http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=16435&p=3 and http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=5551&p=18

1. The interim dividend is Ksh 0.63 not Ksh 0.10 (and hence the six figure dividends and seven figure capital gains are factual- I bought the share at the very low 60's)
2. At least for this year, the profits for CFC Stanbic will be way above the industry average of about 15%.

Happy Hunting.
young
#37 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 6:42:43 PM
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Greetings dear @stockmaster, are you still on this dividend arguement ?

Yes I admit my mistake the interim from CFC stanbic is 0.63 rather than 0.10 ksh. That not witstanding 0.63 interim dividend is tOOOOOOOOO misely compared to the last closing price of 69.00 bob. There is no two way about that.

CFC and some other mid tier companies give misely dividends so you should not be all out to defend that otherwise you confuse innocent new investors.
HFCK at 26 bob gave an interim divided of 0.75bob, can you compare that with CFC stanbic you are drumming about ?


Simply put any company with a dividend yield less than 3% is not salutory from my own investment perspective.

Be aware different people have different investment objectives. For me my emphasis is dividend yield with moderate gains not capital gains or speculation like you.

Speculation did not work for me so I had to change my strategy several years back.

Giving interim dividend is not a big deal, what is important is the dividend yield.
CFC is a poor dividend stock whether you admit that or not relative to its value.

I will not argue on this again as it will be a round robin talk as you find it hard to accept that CFC Stanbic and other mid tier stocks do not give good dividends.
Last year CFC Stanbic dividend yield was 1.5%, equity for example was 5.1%. Can you compare that ?

Yes you can say CFC will GROW faster but I can say EQUITY will Yield faster in terms of return to shareholders plus moderate capital gains. That is the essence of PE ratio.

Your timing of the market is superb and salutary which is very commendable for speculators and those that need quick capital gain, that I believe is your strength which you are sharing. This is very admirable. But you
should admit that when you position dividend is not your priority so there is no point defending a low dividend yield company for no justifiable reason. You should admit that there is nothing so special about interim dividend if it is miserly relative to its value
and the total dividend.

For relative yields cum moderate gains I prefer NMG over SCANGROUP, BAM over ARM, HFC over COOP.

With Regards


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stocksmaster
#38 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 7:13:03 PM
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young wrote:
Greetings dear @stockmaster, are you still on this dividend arguement ?

Yes I admit my mistake the interim from CFC stanbic is 0.63 rather than 0.10 ksh. That not witstanding 0.63 is tOOOOOOOOO misely compared to the last closing price of 69.00 bob. There is no two way about that.

CFC and some other mid tier companies give misely dividends so you should not be all out to defend that otherwise you confuse innocent new investors.
HFCK at 26 bob gave an interim divided of 0.75bob, can you compare that with CFC stanbic you are drumming about ?


Simply put any company with a dividend yield less than 3% is not salutory from my own investment perspective.

Be aware different people have different investment objectives. For me my emphasis is dividend yield with moderate gains not capital gains or speculation like you.

Speculation did not work for me so I had to change my strategy several years back.

Giving interim dividend is not a big deal, what is important is the dividend yield.
CFC is a poor dividend stock whether you admit that or not relative to its value.

I will not argue on this again as it will be a round robin talk as you find it hard to accept that CFC Stanbic and other mid tier stocks do not give good dividends.
Last year CFC Stanbic dividend yield was 1.5%, equity for example was 5.1%. Can you compare that ?

Yes you can say CFC will GROW faster but I can say EQUITY will Yield faster in terms of return to shareholders plus moderate capital gains. That is the essence of PE ratio.

With Regards




@ Young; I agree:

1. Mid Tier banks are paying poor dividends as compared to Tier 1 banks.
2. But the Mid Tier banks are offering better Capital Gains (probably as a result of re-investing most of their profits).

As a short term trader, I gladly accept any returns on my investment (whether via dividends or capital gains).

As such, when looking at both Equity and CFC (both of which i hold), i look at both the sum of dividend received and share capital gains. This places CFC ahead of Equity in my net portfolio gains.

I agree its best to use what works for you. For me, capital gains are a priority over dividend yields. The inverse is true for you.

However, if i wanted only a 5.1% yield on my money, i would rather buy the 10 year CBK bond which is giving a net return of more than double that (net of over 11% p.a) and with zero risk.

Happy Hunting.
guru267
#39 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 8:14:38 PM
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Dividend yield protects stocks during market sell offs...

When the bears return one cannot compare the slaughter in the low dividend paying mid tiers to the high dividend paying blue chips!

Stocks like Kenya re could be below 8bob pap tomorrow if the market was only accepting above 5% yield...

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
young
#40 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 8:20:43 PM
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the deal wrote:

6. On dividends...why should a company pay a dividend when they see opportunities? Some companies will pay you a dividend today and take it away tomorrow through a rights issue....the last thing I need is a rights issue!!!

@deal the great,
Please be aware rights issue is one of the cheapest ways a
coy can raise funds . If well utilized it is of mutual benefit to
both coy and shareholders.
KCB did their rights at 18 Bob in 2011, hope you know the
value at the moment. More than 100% increase!!!
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