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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,382 Location: Nairobi
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but why? And don't forget that if you want to go from islam to Buddhism or Christianity or Hinduism or Atheism... you will be killed. Apostasy in islam is punishable by death! Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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...why is Islam such an intolerable religion? Why do Muslims always want to convert other belivers and by force? During the US campaigns Obama could not touch a muslim with a 10 feet pole!!!. why? Is it an abominable religion?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/8/2008 Posts: 359
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@simonkabz - you need serious help...seriously...hehehe.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 1,590
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Eh? Feel sorry for you. Its even worse than holding Paka shares since its IPO. I don't push religion or shares-after all,its your life/pocket. Lakini,listen to SM Lockridge's little piece. This afro-american did this message in his 80s. He had lived thru some interesting times as a blackman in the US and he had this to say about his God http://video.google.com/...cid=323792377497739217.
Can you say the same about your Allah. www.mjengakenya.blogspot.comSehemu ndio nyumba
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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First and foremost,a lack of evidence. There is no more reason to believe in Jesus than Muhammad,and no more reason to believe in either of those two than there is Apollo,God of the Sun. In fact,it has been said that the religion of one generation is the literary entertainment of the next. The atheist's typical proposition is that it cannot be said there is no God,however,it should be said there isn't reason to believe one exists. Also,that the Gods describe in the Abrahamic religions are certainly disproved by the factual contradiction of the monotheistic texts' metaphysical claims regarding the origins of our species and cosmos,as well as their descriptions of who God is and what God is like. Science has adopted much more accurate and verifiable explanations for the observable world and universe; so good,it has been said,that had we had these scientific explanations to begin with,religion would have never taken root in the first place.
On to various disproofs of the Jewish,Christian,and Islamic faiths,they are as followed:
An all-virtuous being cannot exists
God is (by definition) a being that which no greater being can be thought. Greatness includes the greatness of virtue. Therefore,God is a being that which no being could be more virtuous. But virtue involves overcoming pains and danger. Indeed,a being can only be properly said to be virtuous if it can suffer pain or be destroyed. A God that can suffer pain or is destructible is no one that which no greater being can be thought. For you can think of a greater being,on that is non-suffering and indestructible. Therefore,God does not exits.
Worship and moral agency
If any being is God,he must be a fitting object of worship. No being could possibly be a fitting object of worship,since worship requires the abandonment of one's role as an autonomous moral agent. Therefore,there cannot be any being who is God.
The problem of evil
If God exists,then the attributes of God are consistent with the existence of evil. The attributes of God are not consistent with the existence of evil (or so we're told by the followers of these faiths). Therefore,God does not and cannot exist.
Religions attempt to overcome the problem of evil by attributing evil to Satan,however,if God were indeed a sovereign and all-powerful God,his authority would surely preside over all things including Satan,and he could end evil. The fact that he doesn't,or so far hasn't but one day will,affirms the fallacy of an all-loving God,as he has allowed evil to exist either thus far,or indefinitely; if he can't,than the proposition that he is all-powerful is dispelled.
A perfect creator cannot exist
If God exists,then he is perfect. If God exists,then he is the creator of the universe. If a being is perfect,then whatever he creates must be perfect. But the universe isn't perfect. Therefore,it is impossible for a perfect being to be the creator of the universe. Hence,it is impossible for God to exist.
A transcendent being cannot be omnipresent
If God exists,then he is transcendent (i.e.,outside of space and time) If God exists,he is omnipresent. To be transcendent,a being cannot exist anywhere in space. To be omnipresent,a being must exist everywhere in space. Hence,it is impossible for a transcendent being to be omnipresent Therefore,it is impossible for God to exist.
A personal being cannot be nonphysical
If God exists,then he is nonphysical. If God exists,then he is a person (or personal being,as Jesus is described in the Bible after his resurrection 'a man'). A person,however,must be physical. Hence,it is impossible for God to exist.
An omnipotent (all powerful being) cannot exist
Either God can create a stone he cannot lift or he can't create a stone he cannot lift. Either way,God is not all powerful. Therefore,God does not exist.
There are far more scientific contradictions of God than philosophical ones. The bedrock of the so called intelligent design movement is that matter cannot come from nothing. Illustrating one of the many reasons intelligent design isn't allowed in a class room is that physics shows that matter does indeed spontaneously materialize,and that the true evidence of a universe with a God,would be one in which nothing existed. In fact,it has been said by Nobel Prize winning scientists that because there is material in the Universe,is proof God doesn't exist.
In man prudence,in woman patience - Jacob Cats
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2008 Posts: 17
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@reiner identity crisis? Try majimaji the antichrist. Behold i lay before thee 2 ways........ Buy yourself a Quran and read a bit before making the decision. chapter 71(the sura ya jin) would be an informing chapter. Good luck with your tormented soul
A woman wants one man to satisfy her every need. A man wants every woman to satisfy his one need.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/12/2008 Posts: 74
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@ reiner.
I know we have the freedom to choose who to serve since God told us He has put before us Life and death for us to choose.
I kindly request you to meditate first seek spiritual guidance and counselling before making the move.
It's only thru Jesus Son of The Living God that we get to Reach God Almighty!
Your faith is being tested here and i will encourage you to stand firm,whoever believes in the Holy Trinity will face tests and challenges which Jesus foresaw and warned us of them and assured that He will not stop them BUT He will be with us thru them.
Whoever doesn't believe in the Holy Trinity is a Liar and please run away from him or her.
My Prayer is that you make the right decision that will earn you Eternal Life!!!
Baraka na Amani Dada.
For me to live is Jesus Christ,to die is gain
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2008 Posts: 116
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Reiner,welcome to Islam sister. Indeed you have come to the true religion.
@Magigi,in Islam ladies are not circumcised although some tribes do.
@ Pablo,Islam allows a man to marry up to 4 wives,but it's not mandatory,the choice is yours. If you are strong enough and wealthy to support them it is ok. You are allowed to marry a widow,orphan,disabled to support them. I believe if we all do this it is a good way of reducing suffering. It is said that the ratio of men to women is approaching 1:4. do you understand what this means in future?
@eli,Islam does not justify killing of innocent lives just as many countries condemned the recent genocide in Palestine. Secondly,death comes any time,no one knows when,where,how......are u sure that you will go home today? or breath the next minute?
@ Son of God,are you really the son of God,no you are only a servant of God. You are talking of long-term effect of her decision to join Islam. Are you sure that you will be here for the next 10 years. In Islam,this world is like a journey,we are in transit to the next world. Therefore,don't talk of long term in this world.
@vituvingisana,why should someone who changes religion be punished. This is a liberal world. Let Reiner tell you what Islam is after her experience,
To Reiner,
I know your life is horrible now coz your family is of different faith,be strong. If you are in Nairobi,please go to Jamia and seek some guidance. They have special classes for converts. Also visit some websites like,Islam-qa,or google.
To all,
Between Islam Christianity,Hindu,Buddhism and others,only one is the true religion. Therefore,don't conceal yourselves in your religion,try to search and learn other religions. You never know what you are missing. Most of us are Christians/Muslims coz our parents were. Try Quran,there are versions in all languages-english,swahili,Kikuyu,somali...... just have one and go through it. For me,am currently studying the bible. All the best children of Adam.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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@Bashka: I use circumcision here not just to refer to the phyisical act,but the way women are supressed by the Islamic religion.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/2/2008 Posts: 109
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@ magigi,vituvingisana,eli............ dudes you guys makes contribution and advice here on investments after doing thorough search and diging for info.... i am surprised tha magigi could confidently say islam surpress women..... come on...... you should get ur fact write
@ vituvingisana.... in this age do you believe islam as a religion are murderers and there to kill and take out innocent people... do you (in 2009) still believe all muslims are suporters of al qaida and osama???........ NO! GET UR FACTS RIGHT
@ BASHKA u summarised well everything i was to say.........
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