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Can I take a loan to invest in the stock market?
zizzi
#31 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 12:48:38 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2011
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Location: Nbi
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


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3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?



I think this article too might be of interest to you - http://www.gurufocus.com...nking-and-the-8020-rule

Definitely check it out when you get the chance
maka
#32 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 1:04:43 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Siringi wrote:
Sikia kiyana. Now that you must take the loan, listen to the signature of one wazuan quoting siyui Einstein, " ?buy land they dont make it any more. . . " The balance you can give your stovk broker for gambling . Come back after five years and thank me.
Sell the shares ujenge hiyo plot or better still. . .Uza plot and invest in shares or another plot.


Its Mark Twain...
possunt quia posse videntur
maka
#33 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 1:06:46 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


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3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?


What would happen if they dont go any lower and just stagnate there?
possunt quia posse videntur
mwekez@ji
#34 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 2:28:42 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
zizzi wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


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3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?



I think this article too might be of interest to you - http://www.gurufocus.com...nking-and-the-8020-rule

Definitely check it out when you get the chance


Interesting that @maka

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Mr. Munger thinks that if one does not learn this probabilistic form of thinking then a person will “go through a long life like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.”

"Most investors strive fruitlessly for certainty and precision, avoiding situations in which information is difficult to obtain. Yet high uncertainty is frequently accompanied by low prices. By the time the uncertainty is resolved, prices are likely to have risen. Investors frequently benefit from making investment decisions with less than perfect knowledge and are well rewarded for bearing the risk of uncertainty. The time other investors spend delving into the last unanswered detail may cost them the chance to buy in at prices so low that they offer a margin of safety despite the incomplete information." Margin of Safety, Seth Klarman

An example which is quite useful to see how one handicaps investments is to figure what percentage of one’s portfolio a person is willing to invest based on the following hypothetical scenario: A company trades at $100 a share and has a 50% probability of being worth zero and a 50% probability being worth $300 a share. How much of one’s portfolio should an investor put into this scenario? The answer is 25% according to the Kelly criterion . The Kelly formula attempts to maximize one’s net worth, but also maximizes volatility. Investor’s have a difficult time dealing with maximum volatility and trusting their analysis when a company’s value may drop 50% or more before their investment pays off. On the other hand many times investors overweight the probability of success of an investment when the odds of success are actually much lower than those projected.

". . . information generally follows the well-known 80/20 rule: the first 80 percent of the available information is gathered in the first 20 percent of the time spent. The value of in-depth fundamental analysis is subject to diminishing marginal returns." Margin of Safety, Seth Klarman
Siringi
#35 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:09:30 AM
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Joined: 6/8/2013
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Shame on you Member pioneered loan failities for IPOs the massive Safcom oversubscription was largely attributed to Member financing akina Wanjiru
am sure other babks kina Family etc follwed suit siyui kama siku hizi. . .

Jamani wrote:
No bank will give you a loan or rather finance you to buy shares, or mutual funds etc. They may give you a personal loan which you may divert to buy shares. But try walking into a bank and ask for a loan to buy shares, they will laugh at you, most bankers believe stock investment is gambling.... they won't give you money to take to the "NSE casino".

"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
mBiaLoss
#36 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:33:21 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 6/23/2010
Posts: 52
Location: Majuu
zizzi wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


...

3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?



I think this article too might be of interest to you - http://www.gurufocus.com...nking-and-the-8020-rule

Definitely check it out when you get the chance


Thanks I read the article, it just re-enforces my chain of thought. If you invest in stock that is priced so low, there are only two chances, either the company goes bankrupt and you loose everything, or the company recovers and you gain a lot.
Does anybody really think that KQ will soon go bankrupt? I don't think so, but what if it does go bankrupt and I lose all borrowed money? That is a risk am will to take right now!
As an investor I behave like a tick, patiently waiting on grass and larch onto the first cow that shows up. As an investor I dont behave like a tick...I jump off the the cow as soon as am fully engorged before it dies...
mBiaLoss
#37 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:36:12 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 6/23/2010
Posts: 52
Location: Majuu
Siringi wrote:
Sikia kiyana. Now that you must take the loan, listen to the signature of one wazuan quoting siyui Einstein, " ?buy land they dont make it any more. . . " The balance you can give your stovk broker for gambling . Come back after five years and thank me.
Sell the shares ujenge hiyo plot or better still. . .Uza plot and invest in shares or another plot.



But not living in kenya right now and with all the crooks that have invaded the land business...isnt the risk for me buying land the same as buying shares? Just a thought
As an investor I behave like a tick, patiently waiting on grass and larch onto the first cow that shows up. As an investor I dont behave like a tick...I jump off the the cow as soon as am fully engorged before it dies...
mBiaLoss
#38 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:38:13 AM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 6/23/2010
Posts: 52
Location: Majuu
maka wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


Am looking to hold for 2-3 yrs and wait it out!
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3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?


What would happen if they dont go any lower and just stagnate there?

As an investor I behave like a tick, patiently waiting on grass and larch onto the first cow that shows up. As an investor I dont behave like a tick...I jump off the the cow as soon as am fully engorged before it dies...
mwekez@ji
#39 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:41:56 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 5,121
mBiaLoss wrote:
zizzi wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


...

3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?



I think this article too might be of interest to you - http://www.gurufocus.com...nking-and-the-8020-rule

Definitely check it out when you get the chance


Thanks I read the article, it just re-enforces my chain of thought. If you invest in stock that is priced so low, there are only two chances, either the company goes bankrupt and you loose everything, or the company recovers and you gain a lot.
Does anybody really think that KQ will soon go bankrupt? I don't think so, but what if it does go bankrupt and I lose all borrowed money? That is a risk am will to take right now!


@mBiaLoss, the loan you are getting is very cheap. Is it a USD loan or its a KES loan from a special source not accessible to public or ……. On these very risky counters, don’t put all your eggs in them. Note “Kelly criterion” in the article
symbols
#40 Posted : Monday, August 12, 2013 5:47:27 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
mBiaLoss wrote:
zizzi wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
mBiaLoss wrote:


...

3. Some stocks am seeing are really cheap, that the company can either go bankrupt or up. I don't see how further down they go except bankruptcy!



Which specific stocks are we talking about here @mBiaLoss? ...



Mumias sugar, kenya airways and kenol kobil. How low can they go?



I think this article too might be of interest to you - http://www.gurufocus.com...nking-and-the-8020-rule

Definitely check it out when you get the chance


Thanks I read the article, it just re-enforces my chain of thought. If you invest in stock that is priced so low, there are only two chances, either the company goes bankrupt and you loose everything, or the company recovers and you gain a lot.
Does anybody really think that KQ will soon go bankrupt? I don't think so, but what if it does go bankrupt and I lose all borrowed money? That is a risk am will to take right now!


What amount are you talking about and how long are you willing to hold onto the shares?
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