I am disturbed. These women are drinking more than their male counterparts. In my office all women drink, kwanza spirits yet a good proportion of men abstain. Halafu they say we're choosy. Who wants a job for dedicated driver kila wiki?

I feel you. Why don't you tell us something on this thread ATR ? you seem to be one of us fed up with the influence of Western culture and illusion of liberation and equality, which has sent our ladies to the dogs.

I have a solution for you though
just change camp. Don't hang out with such ladies. And don't marry such ladies.

Look around you and you realize there is another culture, way of life which teaches their women proper manners... Change the road you are walking on..

Its become crazy woe unto you if you dont imbibe the frothy stuff or you are the one who going out isnt your thing there is no way on earth you can cope with such a lady...and if you vumilia the stuff you will be subjected to wont be good...imagine chilling at home watchin a movie and your wife/galfriend is out raving with her pals till the wee hours of the morning...next weekend ameenda rudge naxvegas ama dala...maisha ngumu haya...
but as@alphadoti said there are nice respectable ladies out there chagua kwa makini...

What is the problem. They drink their money & still perform @ work.

lol is that the gauge?

I am anti-alcohol and smoking in both sexes but I will not judge people based on that, cz I have seen worse craze from those who don't engage at all.
character is defined our actions, whether we drink or not.

Nothing to do with work. They become unmarriageable. when we avoid them, they say we are choosy. They forget that, even a good number of guys who partake would never marry a woman mlevi. You will become drinking buddies and maybe later landing buddies but nothing much after that.

the digital generation. i understand their men love them drunk. my neighbors arrive at around midnite every friday and they seem a happy couple.

My menfolk.....take charge, those kind of women just need guidance or so I beleve.

....walevi women just need understanding and guidence.....I think so.

It seems every sex is territorial about some elements of how they view themselves. Simple example: Men detest women that take more than a little alcohol, that is their domain. Women don't want men that use more than a little make up - if any at all. That is their domain. These feelings aren't always rational, they aren't always universal, but they abound to an astonishing degree. It will be like that for another few decades.