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[quote=a4architect.com]PhD in formal employment is a good way to easily rank the level of knowledge. PhD in the private sector/sole proprietorship is only to soothe the holder's ego. Clients dont come to anyone for service based on academic qualifications. They come based on the knowledge level. Einstein and Planc didnt have PhD academic qualifications but still managed huge wealth reservoir of knowledge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein[/quote] Please use another example not Einstein Quote:In 1901, his paper "Folgerungen aus den Capillaritätserscheinungen" ("Conclusions from the Capillarity Phenomena") was published in the prestigious Annalen der Physik. On 30 April 1905, Einstein completed his thesis, with Alfred Kleiner, Professor of Experimental Physics, serving as pro-forma advisor. Einstein was awarded a PhD by the University of Zurich. His dissertation was entitled "A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions". It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt... -Mark Twain
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There was an earlier thread with the same question. Methinks wazuans should first search before creating parallel threads. Duplication ni mingi http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=15634&p=3Now just imagine where some wazuans could have been had it not be for some keyans who sacrificed and pursued their PhDs eg Prof Mukras, Prof., Nzomo, Prof. Francis Gichaga., prof Wangari Maathai, Prof Eshiwani George, Prof Ratemo Michieka, Prof Mbithi, Prof Raphael Munavu Prof. Mugambi Jesse, Prof Aosa, prof Kibera, imagine Kenya without such luminaries as Prof Thomas Odhiambo god rest his Soul of ICIPE, Prof K'obonyo, Dr Wainaina Dr Iraki... kama nimesahau your favourite tisha ongezea.. "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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mukiha wrote: Does that PhD make you a better chicken expert than the guy who stopped at bachelor's degree?
Perhaps some one should do a PhD to find out!
You are are right but looking at things from a practical aspect. Phd level & masters (some courses) are research based and aimed at improving on the body of existing knowledge. A bachelors fellow can be a good chicken expert but that ends there. Who do we turn to if we want to look beyond the horizons? Researchers are working day and night to find drought resistant crops with increased yield that can grow in few days. Bsc. fellows will then be 'experts' in those innovations made by researchers. Doctors treat patients using new improved medicines resulting from researchers work (Phd.) unless ni wa miti shamba who are constantly boiling herbs and researching in the villages. And by the way, you do not need to be a Phd. to be a researcher..a minimum is masters degree. I know of Masters level lecturers who have done tonnes of research and supervise Phd. candidates. Ni vile hawataki to be awarded Phd. it wont add any value to them as their work speaks for itself (that is in Europe)...in 3rd world countries, a Phd. is the ultimate goal for those university lecturers teaching freshers. As a country we can never develop sustainably until we take research seriously. There is a limit to which external research can help us. We need home grown solutions from researchers thinking Kenyan, using our own knowledge. Honestly in Kenya, bachelor level education does not prepare you for further research work or to think broadly. Our universities churn out half baked graduates (including me). They won't realize it until they hit the industry and realize they need more training.
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Mine include Prof. Makau Luti, Prof. Musuva, Dr. Rading, Dr. Kamau Gachigi
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Punda Mlia wrote:mukiha wrote: Does that PhD make you a better chicken expert than the guy who stopped at bachelor's degree?
Perhaps some one should do a PhD to find out!
You are are right but looking at things from a practical aspect. Phd level & masters (some courses) are research based and aimed at improving on the body of existing knowledge. A bachelors fellow can be a good chicken expert but that ends there. Who do we turn to if we want to look beyond the horizons? Researchers are working day and night to find drought resistant crops with increased yield that can grow in few days. Bsc. fellows will then be 'experts' in those innovations made by researchers. Doctors treat patients using new improved medicines resulting from researchers work (Phd.) unless ni wa miti shamba who are constantly boiling herbs and researching in the villages. And by the way, you do not need to be a Phd. to be a researcher..a minimum is masters degree. I know of Masters level lecturers who have done tonnes of research and supervise Phd. candidates. Ni vile hawataki to be awarded Phd. it wont add any value to them as their work speaks for itself (that is in Europe)...in 3rd world countries, a Phd. is the ultimate goal for those university lecturers teaching freshers. As a country we can never develop sustainably until we take research seriously. There is a limit to which external research can help us. We need home grown solutions from researchers thinking Kenyan, using our own knowledge. Honestly in Kenya, bachelor level education does not prepare you for further research work or to think broadly. Our universities churn out half baked graduates (including me). They won't realize it until they hit the industry and realize they need more training.  well put. PhD is the ultimate prize for most scholars. There are very few PhD holders in Kenya creating a shortage of qualified staff in most public and private universities. The government should control the mushrooming of universities at every corner. This will help safeguard the quality of university education.
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Magigi wrote:kamundu wrote:Are they really worth it? Thats of unless of course you are in academia. Statistics in the US alone show that 30% of phds drop out in first year, only 50% finish while average time to finish is 9 years! ...Just as stealing from gava coffers can be one's lifetime interest, seeking knowledge can be another's interest...Seeking knowledge just for the sake of it!!! @Kamundu...I am not criticizing you but I find it a bit shallow and selfish when one uses himself as a standard measure of every body else...If it is not worthy for you it is for somebody else... Come srowry my brother. I was initiating a debate which has turned out to be a good one. Peace in our Homeland.
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How could I forget that lady Prof from JKUAT that gave us banana tissue culture Prof Imbuga Francis rip, Prof Ngugi wa Thiongo . . .Prof Egara Kabajji Prof Mazrui, Dr K D Singh, Prof Smokin Wanjala, Prof Githu Muigai, Dr Nyandemo . The list is endless Prof Magoha, Prof Onyango This country has been made great by sons and daughters that answered the call higher calling. They shaped young kenyans in institutions of higher learning they inspired. We salute you Punda Mlia wrote:Mine include Prof. Makau Luti, Prof. Musuva, Dr. Rading, Dr. Kamau Gachigi "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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@ Mpenzi,you perspective on this? hehehehe
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I know a guy who has been very brilliant in field work, he made his catch as a surveyor did all donkey works and became filthy rich. He started GIS application in revenue management for municipalities, as much as they were good the politics has been the biggest hindrance. He ventured to politics to see whether he can change anything but still its becoming even worse especially if you are on the wrong side of the gava. Currently he is pursuing a phd in use of GIS for municipal and revenue management in the third world. His is a quest to know how best things can be done rather than getting a phd just to have it. In the international circles this has elicited serious debates and the fathers of GIS (Mostly at ESRI) i understand they are trying to follow on what the guy is doing so that they can understand better how to deal with the issue especially in third world where political interference is too much. For those who pursue their dreams in such a manner i dont doubt that they will leave a lasting solution to our well being Life is an endless adventure
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famooz wrote:@ Mpenzi,you perspective on this? hehehehe Wapi akina Frangipani here is my favourite response by @ masukuma from the other thread: " masukuma wrote:PhDs are great! if you have the time and motivation and passion for the field - go for it! its not for getting a job...its about stretching yourself, doing exploits, contributing to society. lets face it, going through a PhD program (intellectually) puts you ahead of everyone - its a feeling money cannot buy...the person who buys a Phd Knows he bought it...but the one who earned it...knows he earned it! Its plainly excellence. I equate academic excellence to other forms of excellence that no one can take from you (including yourself), excellence in sports, excellence in oration and making a tonne of money legally and with integrity - its very satisfying (remember the only one person you need to convince that you have what it takes is - you) " "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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