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Muriel wrote:What sensible, testable thing can be attributed to have resulted from the awareness, the possession of this 'knowledge'?
Instead of exiting the closet, to speak, and spread abroad the good news, the information, so that the neighbors can also rejoice,
after having proven yourself to the ones who need proving to by exiting the labyrinth,
the darkness only deepens, to discombobulate the 'goyim' to the secret delight of the 'illumined', the 'enlightened', the 'knowers'.
I think I understand well now. It is quite dark.
Muriel, whose darkness are you 'experiencing'? It can't be tycho's. Because tycho is speaking, and affirming light. Again, how can a blind man accuse a sighted friend of 'distorting the truth'? Otherwise, if, @Muriel, it's not dark 'in there' why aren't you calling the neighbors to you? Or don't you also believe and understand what you profess? Lol. You are asking to be told by the 'illumined', the 'good news', alas, you are still waiting for a Prophet to liberate you! Haven't you had enough Prophets already? Isn't everything 'finished'? Surely, your 'Vampire' days are over! Let there be light.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/12/2013 Posts: 69
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Cant the illumined can shed light to the unillumined? How indeed can a 'blind' man accuse a sighted friend of distortion. Especially when I, the blind man, have merely responded to the emergence from the labyrinth, the rebirth of the child, the joy to embrace the prophets. Why should i be the one to call the neighbors now? I have come, I am the neighbor. So what is your light? Is this your light dependent on other lights? or cant it shine alone? Must it get bearing from another? Cant it support itself on its own merit and make its own arguments? vampire days are over! Show it! Just for Mukiri.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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i_am_saved wrote:Cant the illumined can shed light to the unillumined?
How indeed can a 'blind' man accuse a sighted friend of distortion.
Especially when I, the blind man, have merely responded to the emergence from the labyrinth, the rebirth of the child, the joy to embrace the prophets.
Why should i be the one to call the neighbors now? I have come, I am the neighbor. So what is your light?
Is this your light dependent on other lights? or cant it shine alone?
Must it get bearing from another? Cant it support itself on its own merit and make its own arguments?
vampire days are over!
Show it! 1. The 'illumined' can't shed light to the 'unillumined'. I'll give you two reasons for this. a. Seeing the light can only be a subjective experience of being aware of the light. No one can see on another's behalf. b. The light is eternal, and has always been there, and therefore it is upon the individual to find sight. 2. The quest for sight is necessarily not a solo venture. There must be conversation. The single source of light is beyond names, and can never be named and 'exhausted', yet must be asked for help. And given that He is the source of all humanity, then humanity is united. 3. By saying that you are in the dark, you are either jesting or are saying the truth. Whichever way you choose, 'you lose'. If you are earnest, then you are exposing your ignorance. For whose responsibility is it to show you the light? To whom should you turn for light? 4. Clearly, you are imputing 'improper' motive on @tycho, by failing to acknowledge that the labyrinth is a personal journey whose end is the Self. For this is the constraint for all humanity. Tycho is to be made whole. By asking @ tycho to make you whole, you are implying that it is Christ who healed, when Scripture is so clear that it is faith that heals. A special encounter between man and God. By focusing on tycho, you deny God. Yet by embracing him you embrace God. 5. Whether in jest or in earnest, you indeed have no consciousness of the light. Yet, being without the light, you believe that the 'illumined' must stand on their own, and 'convince'. That is, one is his own authority. Alas, this goes against the being of God. For God is the one who lights up the world, and binds all humanity together. That is, you too, says there's no God, even despite hiding behind institutions like the Adventists who profess to be aware of the light. You are therefore, an 'impostor' and with a 'guilty conscience' and hence a 'Vampire'.
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tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:I shudder at the many evil and erroneous thoughts, and ideas I have had towards our fathers, and even more towards myself. Truly, my ways have been so wicked.
I have dishonored and put my parents to shame by not obeying the way of God, to God.
For though I have borne Gods breath, I have selfishly clung to my desires and urges without the aid of the fires lit before by our fathers, even to the ancient of days.
But now, being illuminated, I rejoice not only in life, and see the sacredness of the father and the mother, united in one flesh, and thereby conceiving once again, the fullness and goodness of God. Man.
Oh! Who can be bold, before the throne of judgment? Yet, how consoled are they that go illuminated by the 'Sun', that powerful symbol of the ancient of days!
Oh! What sight to behold the 'foundation' of civillizations, and governments! Altars of stone?
What joy to embrace the prophets and rulers, and philosophers, every thread and pattern of history. God's own story.
In the first birth, the child must cry in pain and discomfort; but in rebirth the child, and I am a child, only has tears of joy.
Emerging from the labyrinth am I reborn, through the flame on the trees.
And may this tree, give forth light and lead Man on the straight and narrow path.
A search for a meaning. The process of self-discovery. In the end, freedom, achievement and joy.
But then, guilt stops the 'merry.' Guilt for failing to 'conform.' Perhaps, after being Consumed by feelings of doubt.
The past meets the future. But the future is not independent of the past; nor is the present independent of the two. The past becomes the present, and the future - perhaps with a different meaning. 'In the end'. 'End' can only mean 'death'. And the death comes when we see 'finite' goodness in the light of infinity. The enlightened individual can't measure up. He must hide, and be banished from the 'garden'. To return, he must relinquish his self, and let the infinite reign. End=Death. How? Death indicates finality. Or is it a transition between finite and infinity? If so, then death is an important bridge. Thus it should be celebrated. It's not the 'end' yet. Rather it is the 'beginning.' The 'beginning' of infinity. But can those who have not experienced the 'infinity' be an authority of these matters? I don't think so. They can only speculate. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:I shudder at the many evil and erroneous thoughts, and ideas I have had towards our fathers, and even more towards myself. Truly, my ways have been so wicked.
I have dishonored and put my parents to shame by not obeying the way of God, to God.
For though I have borne Gods breath, I have selfishly clung to my desires and urges without the aid of the fires lit before by our fathers, even to the ancient of days.
But now, being illuminated, I rejoice not only in life, and see the sacredness of the father and the mother, united in one flesh, and thereby conceiving once again, the fullness and goodness of God. Man.
Oh! Who can be bold, before the throne of judgment? Yet, how consoled are they that go illuminated by the 'Sun', that powerful symbol of the ancient of days!
Oh! What sight to behold the 'foundation' of civillizations, and governments! Altars of stone?
What joy to embrace the prophets and rulers, and philosophers, every thread and pattern of history. God's own story.
In the first birth, the child must cry in pain and discomfort; but in rebirth the child, and I am a child, only has tears of joy.
Emerging from the labyrinth am I reborn, through the flame on the trees.
And may this tree, give forth light and lead Man on the straight and narrow path.
A search for a meaning. The process of self-discovery. In the end, freedom, achievement and joy.
But then, guilt stops the 'merry.' Guilt for failing to 'conform.' Perhaps, after being Consumed by feelings of doubt.
The past meets the future. But the future is not independent of the past; nor is the present independent of the two. The past becomes the present, and the future - perhaps with a different meaning. 'In the end'. 'End' can only mean 'death'. And the death comes when we see 'finite' goodness in the light of infinity. The enlightened individual can't measure up. He must hide, and be banished from the 'garden'. To return, he must relinquish his self, and let the infinite reign. End=Death. How? Death indicates finality. Or is it a transition between finite and infinity? If so, then death is an important bridge. Thus it should be celebrated. It's not the 'end' yet. Rather it is the 'beginning.' The 'beginning' of infinity. But can those who have not experienced the 'infinity' be an authority of these matters? I don't think so. They can only speculate. No. Death isn't a transition. It's cessation. But there's this mystery of 'Christ', which involves dying, and ressurecting. It's, a mystery and message given to Man since the ancient of days. Could this mystery be 'speculated'? Government is founded on it. Civilizations. Society. Death entails both the physical and the spiritual. And, one cannot be, without the other. But the Spiritual, 'causes' the Physical. So, if your spirit is alive, then your body is alive. Your body dies because your spirit is dead. But life always affirms itself. And it's secret is 'regenaration'. It's coded in every living 'thing', and 'level'. Regeneration in humans takes an 'interesting' twist by virtue of intelligence. Intelligence is a form of life. It has it's own regenerative strategy; family, community, society, civilization. Being is sacred. And as form regenerates through reproduction, intelligence regenerates via reproduction. It makes reproduction sacred, and consequently, being, sacred. Humanity is Spiritual, in this sense. The Spirit lives and the body lives through birth. Death is defeated.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:I shudder at the many evil and erroneous thoughts, and ideas I have had towards our fathers, and even more towards myself. Truly, my ways have been so wicked.
I have dishonored and put my parents to shame by not obeying the way of God, to God.
For though I have borne Gods breath, I have selfishly clung to my desires and urges without the aid of the fires lit before by our fathers, even to the ancient of days.
But now, being illuminated, I rejoice not only in life, and see the sacredness of the father and the mother, united in one flesh, and thereby conceiving once again, the fullness and goodness of God. Man.
Oh! Who can be bold, before the throne of judgment? Yet, how consoled are they that go illuminated by the 'Sun', that powerful symbol of the ancient of days!
Oh! What sight to behold the 'foundation' of civillizations, and governments! Altars of stone?
What joy to embrace the prophets and rulers, and philosophers, every thread and pattern of history. God's own story.
In the first birth, the child must cry in pain and discomfort; but in rebirth the child, and I am a child, only has tears of joy.
Emerging from the labyrinth am I reborn, through the flame on the trees.
And may this tree, give forth light and lead Man on the straight and narrow path.
A search for a meaning. The process of self-discovery. In the end, freedom, achievement and joy.
But then, guilt stops the 'merry.' Guilt for failing to 'conform.' Perhaps, after being Consumed by feelings of doubt.
The past meets the future. But the future is not independent of the past; nor is the present independent of the two. The past becomes the present, and the future - perhaps with a different meaning. 'In the end'. 'End' can only mean 'death'. And the death comes when we see 'finite' goodness in the light of infinity. The enlightened individual can't measure up. He must hide, and be banished from the 'garden'. To return, he must relinquish his self, and let the infinite reign. End=Death. How? Death indicates finality. Or is it a transition between finite and infinity? If so, then death is an important bridge. Thus it should be celebrated. It's not the 'end' yet. Rather it is the 'beginning.' The 'beginning' of infinity. But can those who have not experienced the 'infinity' be an authority of these matters? I don't think so. They can only speculate. No. Death isn't a transition. It's cessation. But there's this mystery of 'Christ', which involves dying, and ressurecting. It's, a mystery and message given to Man since the ancient of days. Could this mystery be 'speculated'? Government is founded on it. Civilizations. Society. Death entails both the physical and the spiritual. And, one cannot be, without the other. But the Spiritual, 'causes' the Physical. So, if your spirit is alive, then your body is alive. Your body dies because your spirit is dead. But life always affirms itself. And it's secret is 'regenaration'. It's coded in every living 'thing', and 'level'. Regeneration in humans takes an 'interesting' twist by virtue of intelligence. Intelligence is a form of life. It has it's own regenerative strategy; family, community, society, civilization. Being is sacred. And as form regenerates through reproduction, intelligence regenerates via reproduction. It makes reproduction sacred, and consequently, being, sacred. Humanity is Spiritual, in this sense. The Spirit lives and the body lives through birth. Death is defeated. Interesting. So, the being is 'immortal'? When you look at 'regeneration' from an 'individual' perspective, then, 'regeneration' is not necessary an adequate insurance against 'death.' Some 'beings' do not 'regenerate.' What happens to them? The end? A good example is a child who 'dies' at birth. Does the 'spirit' in the die?
Intelligence is a 'means.' It's not 'presence' or 'absence' depends on 'existence' of the body and the spirit in one. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Birth, implies fatherhood, and motherhood. And different Civilizations have expressed this consciousness differently. But in essence, there's always the metaphor of God being an 'initiator'. He is. And the 'Mother', and the 'Child'. And the Child must defeat death by being the eternal child. This is done through fatherhood.
Fatherhood is eternity, infinity. Abraham was shown the stars. The father experiences the infinite. The father is the infinite.
He is beyond ancestors. I am.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:I shudder at the many evil and erroneous thoughts, and ideas I have had towards our fathers, and even more towards myself. Truly, my ways have been so wicked.
I have dishonored and put my parents to shame by not obeying the way of God, to God.
For though I have borne Gods breath, I have selfishly clung to my desires and urges without the aid of the fires lit before by our fathers, even to the ancient of days.
But now, being illuminated, I rejoice not only in life, and see the sacredness of the father and the mother, united in one flesh, and thereby conceiving once again, the fullness and goodness of God. Man.
Oh! Who can be bold, before the throne of judgment? Yet, how consoled are they that go illuminated by the 'Sun', that powerful symbol of the ancient of days!
Oh! What sight to behold the 'foundation' of civillizations, and governments! Altars of stone?
What joy to embrace the prophets and rulers, and philosophers, every thread and pattern of history. God's own story.
In the first birth, the child must cry in pain and discomfort; but in rebirth the child, and I am a child, only has tears of joy.
Emerging from the labyrinth am I reborn, through the flame on the trees.
And may this tree, give forth light and lead Man on the straight and narrow path.
A search for a meaning. The process of self-discovery. In the end, freedom, achievement and joy.
But then, guilt stops the 'merry.' Guilt for failing to 'conform.' Perhaps, after being Consumed by feelings of doubt.
The past meets the future. But the future is not independent of the past; nor is the present independent of the two. The past becomes the present, and the future - perhaps with a different meaning. 'In the end'. 'End' can only mean 'death'. And the death comes when we see 'finite' goodness in the light of infinity. The enlightened individual can't measure up. He must hide, and be banished from the 'garden'. To return, he must relinquish his self, and let the infinite reign. End=Death. How? Death indicates finality. Or is it a transition between finite and infinity? If so, then death is an important bridge. Thus it should be celebrated. It's not the 'end' yet. Rather it is the 'beginning.' The 'beginning' of infinity. But can those who have not experienced the 'infinity' be an authority of these matters? I don't think so. They can only speculate. No. Death isn't a transition. It's cessation. But there's this mystery of 'Christ', which involves dying, and ressurecting. It's, a mystery and message given to Man since the ancient of days. Could this mystery be 'speculated'? Government is founded on it. Civilizations. Society. Death entails both the physical and the spiritual. And, one cannot be, without the other. But the Spiritual, 'causes' the Physical. So, if your spirit is alive, then your body is alive. Your body dies because your spirit is dead. But life always affirms itself. And it's secret is 'regenaration'. It's coded in every living 'thing', and 'level'. Regeneration in humans takes an 'interesting' twist by virtue of intelligence. Intelligence is a form of life. It has it's own regenerative strategy; family, community, society, civilization. Being is sacred. And as form regenerates through reproduction, intelligence regenerates via reproduction. It makes reproduction sacred, and consequently, being, sacred. Humanity is Spiritual, in this sense. The Spirit lives and the body lives through birth. Death is defeated. Interesting. So, the being is 'immortal'? When you look at 'regeneration' from an 'individual' perspective, then, 'regeneration' is not necessary an adequate insurance against 'death.' Some 'beings' do not 'regenerate.' What happens to them? The end? A good example is a child who 'dies' at birth. Does the 'spirit' in the die?
The individual perspective is an abstraction. The individual doesn't exist in and by itself
Intelligence is a 'means.' It's not 'presence' or 'absence' depends on 'existence' of the body and the spirit in one. 'The individual perspective' is an abstraction. It's a means of the human Spirit. Even 'intelligence' is abstraction. There's only 'being'. The stillborn is a human being. Human being, 'the people' must and is the Supreme power of the universe.
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The only 'light' that does not shine, cannot shine is darkness, blackness. That is your 'light'. That the 'illumined' cannot shed light, any light is for the simple reason that they are darkness, not even in darkness. Say what you want, how you want, you have nothing to show. If you had, you would simply let it shine. Please notice very carefully that I said 'let' it shine. Have you noticed, good! I am not asking you to make it, manufacture it, just let it. Pen what you want, how you want, the only thing you can show is darkness- literally, literary. You claim God lights up the world, yet you the self proclaimed man-god not even a flicker can you show, having not even the tiniest spark. The only thing you ought to do, that you must do, that I have compelled you to do is to shift responsibility for lighting the world to those who can. Thank you for doing that. So what good are you? Nothing! Just for Mukiri.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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i_am_saved wrote:The only 'light' that does not shine, cannot shine is darkness, blackness.
That is your 'light'.
That the 'illumined' cannot shed light, any light is for the simple reason that they are darkness, not even in darkness.
Say what you want, how you want, you have nothing to show. If you had, you would simply let it shine.
Please notice very carefully that I said 'let' it shine. Have you noticed, good! I am not asking you to make it, manufacture it, just let it.
Pen what you want, how you want, the only thing you can show is darkness- literally, literary.
You claim God lights up the world, yet you the self proclaimed man-god not even a flicker can you show, having not even the tiniest spark.
The only thing you ought to do, that you must do, that I have compelled you to do is to shift responsibility for lighting the world to those who can.
Thank you for doing that.
So what good are you?
Nothing! The idea that I should 'shift responsibility' is evidence of your selfishness, and wickedness. Nay, ignorance. You imply, that there are some individuals, people, who must not bear the responsibility of upholding humanity. That is, all people must submit to your exclusive sense of freedom. You're asking me, no, 'compelling', 'forcing me', not to be. You even think you are not me! One can't love his neighbor as himself and God, with all his heart, mind, and soul, without a deep sense of identity. To me, this is a moment of seeing my identity and being. To embrace freedom for all. For I am 'all'. The vampire, dies at the touch of light, and its death is good, and inevitable. Lol. Who, would you have name me, 'Man God'? Voters? Cardinals? Elders? You? Do you know who you are? The Man God declares himself, and this is his divine right. Everyone has this divine right. And I affirm this right to you.
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