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Archbishop Tutu:I'd rather go to hell than worship a homophobic God
Caramba
#61 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:38:18 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
SMH



In other news

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association -The Psychiatric Bible basically- In 1952 Listed Homosexuality as a Mental Disorder specifically a "sociopathic personality disturbance" Homosexuals were officially considered sociopaths.

Until may 1974 when
after a series of studies.... -(Nope)
after a breakthrough in reasearch...... (No)



The whole reason the APA removed homosexuality from the DSM as a Mental Disorder was purely on the basis of popular opinion not science.

http://www.3news.co.nz/C...eID/302239/Default.aspx[/color]


None of us has ever witnessed a jogoo chasing down another jogoo.. (If you have kindly share)
Try the Bonobo monkeys,dolphins, etc

Are we to look to the animals for guidance on right conduct ?


Lets tolerate each other and move on.


[color=blue]In other news, your very own Pope Francis has urged society to accept gay people.Applause Applause Applause Applause

"That sound you hear is not thunder, it's god clapping"
marko
#62 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:09:22 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
marko wrote:
Wakanyugi...Our God who has a son forgives those who sin and never remembers the sin anymore. That is what makes Him so great.


Marko, the God who gave his son for the World and the a-hole who nuked Sodom and Gomorrah are two very different beings. It is like comparing Hitler with the Dalai Lama.

I am not sure either of them needs our worship to feel complete. Do you need your children to praise you every day to feel 'a father?'

But at least we can agreed on one thing. God has to forgive a lot of sins and forget. He has no choice, unless he wants to end up in Mathare. .




Wakanyugi..clearly you do not understand God one bit. Either that or you were the kid mum used to call daddy. So the idea of an emotional God does not fill your mind.
WHO DARES WINS
marko
#63 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:13:07 PM
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i_am_saved wrote:
symbols wrote:
digitek1 wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
marko wrote:
God created man and woman..to be companions and compliment each other. If he is so tolerant on homosexuals, then explain why he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah


I wish Christian fanatics would not use this as an example to prove God's hatred of gays - as if that somehow justifies their own fear and hatred.

A God who bombs a city, killing women, children, animals - guilty and innocent - just because it harbors a few gays is worse than homophobic.

Genocidal, is the word I am looking for.

This is the being you want us to worship?

thats nothing compared to the eternal gnashing of teeth in the lake of fire...but in his magnanimity he has given u freedom to choose


It starts right here on earth.We have become so accustomed to pain and driven so much by anger that we fail to see its slowly consuming us and taking away what we hold precious.And what do we do after that,we just get angrier and continue to feed the flames that devour us.


Please allow me to get into the convo Marko and Wakanyungi are having - the one of Tycho and Mukiri is directionless, heading nowhere and frankly a waste of time.

Christianity, the one I know is not a universal soup religion.

It calls people to leave some beleifs, habits, associations, practises.

It calls people to come out of what it describes as confusion.

But nothing stops an individual from holding on to one or two or more things including the ones expressely forbidden.

Or dropping off one or two or more unpalatable issues.

You can pick and choose what you will follow and what you wont and still call yourself a christian.

No one is compelling anyone to worship a 'homophobic' diety, who is also a 'dictator' and a 'mass murderer'. Those who feel so strongly against it can as easily organize themselves and worship whoever they want how they want as easily as they can target the worshipers of the 'tyrant' diety.

All sorts of orientations and alignments can be added and integrated into christianity or subtracted as desired in the name of love, mercy, acceptance - it has been done and will continue being done.

But there will always be a few who wont buy into the additions and subtractions but they will not, nay, cannot stop the adders and subtracters from adding and subtracting.

In the end, there will be a most distinct separation, not universalism, unity, oneness, love, togetherness, acceptance, harmony.

1. those who keep the commandments of God (the law), and the faith of Jesus

2. and those who just dont (maybe they add and subtract as it suits their interpretations, inclinations etc).


I could not have put it better.
WHO DARES WINS
kyt
#64 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 5:35:23 PM
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the God of creation He is a consuming fire
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
symbols
#65 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:44:13 AM
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tycho wrote:

Yes. To everything. Everyone. Every idea. Even to 'no sympathy'. Even to my anger. Lol.


Is it embracing,tolerance or acceptance?
Tokyo
#66 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:06:16 AM
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Follow the laws of the land. Wachana na weird imaginations of unknown fantasies of heaven where nobody has never been and will never be practically.
work to prosper
symbols
#67 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:55:32 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
Follow the laws of the land. Wachana na weird imaginations of unknown fantasies of heaven where nobody has never been and will never be practically.


So I should accept the world is flat and the sun orbits the earth?
Tokyo
#68 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:01:04 AM
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symbols wrote:
[quote=Tokyo]Follow the laws of the land. Wachana na weird imaginations of unknown fantasies of heaven where nobody has never been and will never be practically.


So I should accept the world is flat and the sun orbits the earth?[/quote]

Nope. Just believe a 33yr old Jewish young man died for you a black man inorder you inherit a kingdom full of wealth including diamonds and women
work to prosper
symbols
#69 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:16:12 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
symbols wrote:
[quote=Tokyo]Follow the laws of the land. Wachana na weird imaginations of unknown fantasies of heaven where nobody has never been and will never be practically.


So I should accept the world is flat and the sun orbits the earth?[/quote]

Nope. Just believe a 33yr old Jewish young man died for you a black man inorder you inherit a kingdom full of wealth including diamonds and women


smile
tycho
#70 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 6:17:38 AM
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symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:

Yes. To everything. Everyone. Every idea. Even to 'no sympathy'. Even to my anger. Lol.


Is it embracing,tolerance or acceptance?


Do not go to the altar with anger against your brother.

Embrace him, for he is you.

Tolerate him, for the journey to perfection is long, and the conversation open.

Accept him, just as you accept that you are sinful, and fallen short of the glory of God.
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