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Siringi
#11 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 10:01:59 AM
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@Bigchick No hapana i know some very brilliant and happy easy going motivational PhDs...,

iko Rink hapa on how easy it is for some of the PhDs settle and move on when circumstances change. Kazi inawafuata tu consultancies Kibao... soma hapo page 2

You only need to see how much World Bank ADB etc pay and recognize that those Hallowed Letters in their consultancy pay scales ... i always salivate... thinking of throwing my hat in the ring too.

Bigchick wrote:
Me I think it is a good thing........

But some holders in Kenya have a look that is not motivating.

They look frustrated, tired, older than their real age etc

Our eduction system orients us to believe that the more books you read and hold higher certs the more monied you should be....but alas...Phd holders.

The part that discourages me most is that one of living in their own strange world.........majority hit the bottle hard.

"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
mosesotieno
#12 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 10:23:52 AM
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kamundu wrote:
Are they really worth it? Thats of unless of course you are in academia.
Statistics in the US alone show that 30% of phds drop out in first year, only 50% finish while average time to finish is 9 years!


In my opinion, they are worth the effort but only if you understand its purpose. I think many of us Kenyans simply accumulate degrees to show off.

To my mind, a PhD (or doctoral degree) is meant to demonstrate that one has the capacity for original thinking, invention and innovation. For this reason, a lot of the best research worldwide is carried out by PhDs or PhD candidates working in academic institutions.

Let me give an example. I recently attended a conference where a dentist from an East Asian country presented his work on a substance derived from seaweed that may be used to treat gum diseases. His whole PhD focuses on this topic and if the tests prove that the compound works, he plans to patent his work and manufacture a commercial product.

The scope of PhD study is also very narrow unlike, say, that of an bachelors or masters degree.

If you intend to teach or work in a research-based institution, go for the PhD. If , however, you prefer to simply specialize in and practice your trade, a bachelors or masters will do fine. Remember, 'papers' alone aren't sufficient.

P.S. I really hate the way we Kenyans use the word 'papers' to refer to academic certificates. Makes them look so cheap.
Punda Mlia
#13 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 11:13:35 AM
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mosesotieno wrote:
kamundu wrote:
Are they really worth it? Thats of unless of course you are in academia.
Statistics in the US alone show that 30% of phds drop out in first year, only 50% finish while average time to finish is 9 years!


In my opinion, they are worth the effort but only if you understand its purpose. I think many of us Kenyans simply accumulate degrees to show off.

To my mind, a PhD (or doctoral degree) is meant to demonstrate that one has the capacity for original thinking, invention and innovation. For this reason, a lot of the best research worldwide is carried out by PhDs or PhD candidates working in academic institutions.

Let me give an example. I recently attended a conference where a dentist from an East Asian country presented his work on a substance derived from seaweed that may be used to treat gum diseases. His whole PhD focuses on this topic and if the tests prove that the compound works, he plans to patent his work and manufacture a commercial product.

The scope of PhD study is also very narrow unlike, say, that of an bachelors or masters degree.

If you intend to teach or work in a research-based institution, go for the PhD. If , however, you prefer to simply specialize in and practice your trade, a bachelors or masters will do fine. Remember, 'papers' alone aren't sufficient.

P.S. I really hate the way we Kenyans use the word 'papers' to refer to academic certificates. Makes them look so cheap.



Many Kenyans with less papers are just hating and out to prove they can match those with serious academic credentials. One can easily obtain Bachelors/Masters degree without much effort but when it comes to Phd., you have to prove yourself - no short cuts. Many people rush to register for Phd study without fully understanding the work it involves. Be prepared to toil hard and for long. With no external funding, ensure you have your own, else things will come to a grinding halt. I hope to do a Phd. in future so that I can contribute in a special way to this country. Don't do a Phd. because you need a job. Outside academia, there are few organizations hiring that level of staff. How long would you tarmac as you chew books to earn the coveted title? Set the foundations of life, get a family and as you self actualize/have free time, do a Phd.
tycho
#14 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 11:16:48 AM
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tycho wrote:
kamundu wrote:
Are they really worth it? Thats of unless of course you are in academia.
Statistics in the US alone show that 30% of phds drop out in first year, only 50% finish while average time to finish is 9 years!


Confucius' 'Great learning' is more preferable to have, but it takes 'eternity' and those who acquire it are well below 50% of those who seek it, globally.



But all can achieve it.
pleasecallme
#15 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 11:41:05 AM
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Unless you are in for academics/research please don't cram and spoil the good name of 'PHDs'. its not worth it. You can instead do as many masters and professional certifications as you want
You kill bird...bird dead snake come.
danas10
#16 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 12:36:54 PM
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Depends on what you want out of it...the school you choose also matters alot. what is their focus, is it your focus? I already started and yes, being a Phd student in a "good" university does attract very good opportunities...and if your interest is related to what these guys want, coupled with a few years experience, wacha tu....ask me.

flip side..."socially"...but you learn to live with it and sieve.
nakujua
#17 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 12:53:17 PM
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phd is not worth it, imagine all those sossion strikes na kukatwa mshahara - kazi ya mwalimu ni ngumu.
Siringi
#18 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 12:58:22 PM
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it comes from our culture of dropping CVs and applications for jobs or soliciting and one of the ways of dismissing some of those bothering you ni kuuliza ana karatasi?Laughing out loudly Na hizo Karatasi ni muhimu

The PhD on the other hand is called Letters and this is not for nothing!
In some fields only PhD holders are allowed to have and air their 'own' opinions . the rest of the mortals have no opinions and are treated as kihii s.

mosesotieno wrote:
[quote=kamundu]
P.S. I really hate the way we Kenyans use the word 'papers' to refer to academic certificates. Makes them look so cheap.

"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
Meduza
#19 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 1:27:09 PM
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My lecturers are having fun with their PHDs...I believe its worth.
You cant win, unless you first begin....
Mukiri
#20 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 1:38:32 PM
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nakujua wrote:
phd is not worth it, imagine all those sossion strikes na kukatwa mshahara - kazi ya mwalimu ni ngumu.

Its not about money. Its a calling.

PS: This love of money is the root of all evil

Proverbs 19:21
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