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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,185 Location: nairobi
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Tz will overtake kenyas economy in afew years time to come,with their unity the economy rarely stalls and here at home you cant rule out future violence. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 985 Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
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murchr wrote:the deal wrote:In the 80-90's if someone said China's economy was gonna overtake Japan's economy by 2011....you will have been met with laughter...Tanzania & Ethiopia are Africa's sleeping lions...I'm particularly bullish on Tz...with their Pamoja spirit this guys will take a leap...as much as Kenyans are literate...theyre not together...the country is still torn along tribal lines...this whole tribal thing will keep holding the country back since guys with ideas but are from the wrong tribes get blocked...and also for how long will the other tribes be accepting and moving on?
Now Tz is the worlds proxy in DRC...we all know how Tz & SADC have been supporting Kabila...without their help...M23 would have overthrown Kabila long time ago...we all know who is supporting M23...
Now the thing is the World wants a stab at DRC's trilllions underground...but this is not possible without peace in that country....
Once peace is attained in DRC...the trillions underground will then be extracted & shipped through the new port...plus Tz has trillions of gas reserves of its own...now tell me how that port will be a white elephant....
Replace the word in red as US2. Natural gas is transported through pipes not ships because liquefying natural gas is difficult. Without DRC that port will either crash Dar or become a white elephant Only time will tell.But all those visits to TZ are not for nothing esp the Chinese President. China and States are competing on projects.There is the usd 11 billion Bagamoyo port plus others. For me the issue is when.It might not be near but it will surely come.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 985 Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/1/2010 Posts: 272 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:Tz will overtake kenyas economy in afew years time to come,with their unity the economy rarely stalls and here at home you cant rule out future violence. To aid this discussion further, below is a link of projected future country GDPs. Of course, it assumes all things remain constant. Gross domestic product (nominal) [2015–2050] (in current US$ millions) https://en.wikipedia.org...9#Country_club_trillionsThe harder you work, the luckier you get
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Lolest! wrote:This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity I remember M7 giving this talk which was quite interesting. But the reality on the ground is TZ doesnt want to be part of the community, they'd rather be in SADC but if you ask them what they sell in that market you won't even get 5 things. In my view, i see a creation of another middle east. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 985 Location: Dar es salaam,Tanzania
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Lolest! wrote:This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity 100% right
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Lolest! wrote:This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity Politicking by ...... ....will see this country the loser. Like I always say, Kenya ni jina tu, the population therein must be the most egocentric in the world. Its no wonder that we see kenyans celebrating when things go haywire. We are probably the least patriotic in the world, and the greed for POWER is not unnoticed, we are the laughing stock today for lack of unity and incessant political whining. And the loser is you and me. Tz has a more attractive resume. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Lolest! wrote:This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity Politicking by ...... ....will see this country the loser. Like I always say, Kenya ni jina tu, the population therein must be the most egocentric in the world. Its no wonder that we see kenyans celebrating when things go haywire. We are probably the least patriotic in the world, and the greed for POWER is not unnoticed, we are the laughing stock today for lack of unity and incessant political whining. And the loser is you and me. Tz has a more attractive resume. By...finish your sentence? We are our own greatest enemy....as @the deal correctly put it...there are some people no matter how bright they are will never ascend to the top positions in this country...why?because they are from the "wrong" tribe....it sucks big time...whats the point of being patriotic when my patriotism/and hard work to develop this country will time and time again be flushed down the toilet because of other people's selfish interests.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity I remember M7 giving this talk which was quite interesting. But the reality on the ground is TZ doesnt want to be part of the community, they'd rather be in SADC but if you ask them what they sell in that market you won't even get 5 things. In my view, i see a creation of another middle east. There was this time when COMESA, SADC n EAC were engaged in tripartite talks for harmonizing. I met this TZ official who funny enough told me EAC is the most effective bloc. The others, were just big names.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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@murchr Tz is close to SADC than EAC because of history...Tz played a crucial role in the fight against arpatheid...so when most of those SADC countries got liberated they had no option but to embrace Tz while the same cant be said of Kenya...Kenya used to trade with the arpatheid regime because of fear of sanctions from the west who supported the arpatheid regime at the time....thats why you see relations between SADC & Kenya are not good e.g the Namibian Gava has no embassy in .Ke but has one in Tz.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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the deal wrote:@murchr Tz is close to SADC than EAC because of history...Tz played a crucial role in the fight against arpatheid...so when most of those SADC countries got liberated they had no option but to embrace Tz while the same cant be said of Kenya...Kenya used to trade with the arpatheid regime because of fear of sanctions from the west who supported the arpatheid regime at the time....thats why you see relations between SADC & Kenya are not good e.g the Namibian Gava has no embassy in .Ke but has one in Tz. Wololo I thought we helped liberate Namibia, their flag kinda looks like ours...apart from a few features. I believe tz is in SADC because of debeers and the diamonds http://www.diplomacynami...comments=1&Itemid=17"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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murchr wrote:[quote=the deal]@murchr Tz is close to SADC than EAC because of history...Tz played a crucial role in the fight against arpatheid...so when most of those SADC countries got liberated they had no option but to embrace Tz while the same cant be said of Kenya...Kenya used to trade with the arpatheid regime because of fear of sanctions from the west who supported the arpatheid regime at the time....thats why you see relations between SADC & Kenya are not good e.g the Namibian Gava has no embassy in .Ke but has one in Tz. Wololo I thought we helped liberate Namibia, their flag kinda looks like ours...apart from a few features. I believe tz is in SADC because of debeers and the diamonds http://www.diplomacynami...omments=1&Itemid=17[/quote] Huuuh a landrover???! not to belittle Mzee's contribution....do more research on Namibian & SA history....you will find that our military bases were in Tz...personally my parents stayed there...today people are saying Tz is backward...if it wasnt for the sacrifices they made....some African countries would have achieved independence ....that Mzee Nyerere is a true African Icon...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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the deal wrote:@murchr Tz is close to SADC than EAC because of history...Tz played a crucial role in the fight against arpatheid...so when most of those SADC countries got liberated they had no option but to embrace Tz while the same cant be said of Kenya...Kenya used to trade with the arpatheid regime because of fear of sanctions from the west who supported the arpatheid regime at the time....thats why you see relations between SADC & Kenya are not good e.g the Namibian Gava has no embassy in .Ke but has one in Tz. Kenya traded with apartheid SA? But it's true Nyerere did a lot for African liberation. Add Mozambique and Uganda's UNLA which deposed Amin
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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interesting as this debate is going on nigeria is just about to overtake south africa as africa largest economy it has been said all along that it was going to happen Wait for the reactions from down south Nigeria’s Economy: GDP Rebasing To Help Nigeria Overtake South Africa As Africa’s Biggest Economy http://www.ibtimes.com/nigerias-economy-gdp-rebasing-help-nigeria-overtake-south-africa-africas-biggest-economy-1304661
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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maka wrote:simonkabz wrote:Lolest! wrote:This discussion reminds me of Museveni's branding of Kenya's economy pride as pride of being the tallest dwarf. Now we are discussing which dwarf will be tallest in 10yrs. When do we ever think like East Africans? We are not increasing the share the region gets but competing against each other. We are still 5 separate markets with citizens too eager to fight each other. But that said, Kenya's attractiveness is weakened by insecurity Politicking by ...... ....will see this country the loser. Like I always say, Kenya ni jina tu, the population therein must be the most egocentric in the world. Its no wonder that we see kenyans celebrating when things go haywire. We are probably the least patriotic in the world, and the greed for POWER is not unnoticed, we are the laughing stock today for lack of unity and incessant political whining. And the loser is you and me. Tz has a more attractive resume. By...finish your sentence? We are our own greatest enemy....as @the deal correctly put it...there are some people no matter how bright they are will never ascend to the top positions in this country...why?because they are from the "wrong" tribe....it sucks big time...whats the point of being patriotic when my patriotism/and hard work to develop this country will time and time again be flushed down the toilet because of other people's selfish interests.... Then it seems democracy is not meant for Africa. It keeps deviding us since democratic results are largely rejected in Africa. Ghana, DRC, notorious Kenya n Zimbabwe etc. Let us accept this and move on. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/20/2013 Posts: 47
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Mjinga akierevuka mwerevu huwa mashakani I have been in Dar for 6 months and i can tell you all they need is to wake up Literacy levels and educational standards are quite low.If only they would change their official language to English and allow kenyan teachers to lift their education standards the Kagame way,they would be sure to overtake Kenya sooner rather than later With all their mineral wealth (natural gas,uranium)and nearly 100% arable land its not a matter of if but when they do so. Culture has to change largely including tendency to laziness.You can imagine going to the shop and the milk available is Tanga fresh(the only local n horrible brand i have seen!),Brookside,Tuzo and a few south African Brands.You wonder what the arable land and plenty of rainfall is for! You were put on this earth to achieve your greatest self, to live out your purpose, and to do it fearlessly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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yeah, for a country with more natural resources than Kenya, food security and better political stability, TZ should be ahead. But they arent. Someone pointed out that this is one of the reasons we should be greatful to Jomo. He made us capitalists. This has had negative effects too like enequality and poor social fabric but on overall economy it's a plus.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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the deal wrote:murchr wrote:[quote=the deal]@murchr Tz is close to SADC than EAC because of history...Tz played a crucial role in the fight against arpatheid...so when most of those SADC countries got liberated they had no option but to embrace Tz while the same cant be said of Kenya...Kenya used to trade with the arpatheid regime because of fear of sanctions from the west who supported the arpatheid regime at the time....thats why you see relations between SADC & Kenya are not good e.g the Namibian Gava has no embassy in .Ke but has one in Tz. [quote=murchr]Wololo I thought we helped liberate Namibia, their flag kinda looks like ours...apart from a few features. I believe tz is in SADC because of debeers and the diamonds http://www.diplomacynami...omments=1&Itemid=17[/quote] Huuuh a landrover???! not to belittle Mzee's contribution....do more research on Namibian & SA history....you will find that our military bases were in Tz...personally my parents stayed there...today people are saying Tz is backward...if it wasnt for the sacrifices they made....some African countries would have achieved independence ....that Mzee Nyerere is a true African Icon... Yes that one Landrover that mzee gave was a very big thing. It did go a long way in liberating Namibia dont joke.  I remember very well, when Namibia got its independence Kenya was a very willing partner infact so many Namibians came here for treatment. Infact, Kenyans don't need visas to go to Namibia and Namibia trades more with Kenya than Kenya does. Anyway, I now believe that DRC is being a very thorny issue Kagame and Kikwete are almost turning their citizens to each other. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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ahoo wrote:Mjinga akierevuka mwerevu huwa mashakani
I have been in Dar for 6 months and i can tell you all they need is to wake up
Literacy levels and educational standards are quite low.If only they would change their official language to English and allow kenyan teachers to lift their education standards the Kagame way,they would be sure to overtake Kenya sooner rather than later
With all their mineral wealth (natural gas,uranium)and nearly 100% arable land its not a matter of if but when they do so.
Culture has to change largely including tendency to laziness.You can imagine going to the shop and the milk available is Tanga fresh(the only local n horrible brand i have seen!),Brookside,Tuzo and a few south African Brands.You wonder what the arable land and plenty of rainfall is for! By the way, they sold their milk plant their "KCC" to brookside, which they closed down because running a milk plant there now is not commercialy viable because there are no farmers who graze. What about DRC? I think the real giant in Africa is DRC. That is why the country is not stable because there are elements not ready to let it fly "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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