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Sgt Ogidi Obuon's statement to police implicates both Jaramogi and Raila in it. Jaramogi was a willing financier who had thought of a coup as a fix to the Moi regime before the junior soldiers visited him for help. Raila is at the heart of the coup being part of the council-the committee in charge of planning the coup. He assures soldiers of assisstance from neoighbouring countries and organises meetings and venues for the plotters. SOURCE:Saturday Nation
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Sgt Ogidi Obuon's statement to police implicates both Jaramogi and Raila in it. Jaramogi was a willing financier who had thought of a coup as a fix to the Moi regime before the junior soldiers visited him for help. Raila is at the heart of the coup being part of the council-the committee in charge of planning the coup. He assures soldiers of assisstance from neoighbouring countries and organises meetings and venues for the plotters. SOURCE:Saturday Nation There was never a doubt...or was there?I wonder why MO1 never called "the hatchet men" to clear OAR....there is a time he hid himself huko KEBS kwa tank ya maji then was sneaked out in the boot of a car by some dere... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Law 15 Crush your Enemy Totally All great leaders since Moses have known that a feared enemy must be crushed completely. (Sometimes they have learned this the hard way.) If one ember is left alight, no matter how dimly it smolders, a fire will eventually break out. More is lost through stopping halfway than through total annihilation: The enemy will recover, and will seek revenge. Crush him, not only in body but in spirit. Moi's blunder. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Lolest! wrote:Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family? Wapi?  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Impunity wrote:Lolest! wrote:Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family? Wapi? I imagine it could be a reason. Imagine a life sentence or hanging forthe Luo political supremos. Would it have led to more discontentment among them? But the other reason could be the cliche 'Kenya ina wenyewe'. The small fish paid the price for the big fish(no pun)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. The Kikuyus tried to replace Mo1 b4 the old man died but ikakataa..the Luo tried to take by force. Hio pia ikakataa...@Lolest on your comment above, its possible there was some outside intervention too. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... Some people are more dangerous dead than alive
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family? I find Moi a Godly Man, and it's highly probable that he worked for the greater good of our nation state, and that in this case he found balance in the presence of the Odingas. For, had he killed Raila, then enemy forces would be concentrated on him, and government fall on unsteady hands.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. asante. The Kikuyu supremos ni kina Njonjo?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. The Kikuyus tried to replace Mo1 b4 the old man died but ikakataa..the Luo tried to take by force. Hio pia ikakataa...@Lolest on your comment above, its possible there was some outside intervention too. The real sponsors of the coup developed cold feet when it became apparent that the immediate benefactors would not be from their own......people have rarely wanted to get the real details of this coup. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family? I find Moi a Godly Man, and it's highly probable that he worked for the greater good of our nation state, and that in this case he found balance in the presence of the Odingas. For, had he killed Raila, then enemy forces would be concentrated on him, and government fall on unsteady hands. I'm also puzzled that he spared Matiba's life. Or was he as good as dead when they released him from detention?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. The Kikuyus tried to replace Mo1 b4 the old man died but ikakataa..the Luo tried to take by force. Hio pia ikakataa...@Lolest on your comment above, its possible there was some outside intervention too. The real sponsors of the coup developed cold feet when it became apparent that the immediate benefactors would not be from their own......people have rarely wanted to get the real details of this coup. Luoz fight in the broad daylight...they are known to be fearless; hiyo kabila ingine are the types that fights by kujifichiwo...they couldn't dare lead from the front and instead lead from the comfort of the slopes while facing the tall mountain! NKT!!!!!!!! Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. The Kikuyus tried to replace Mo1 b4 the old man died but ikakataa..the Luo tried to take by force. Hio pia ikakataa...@Lolest on your comment above, its possible there was some outside intervention too. The real sponsors of the coup developed cold feet when it became apparent that the immediate benefactors would not be from their own......people have rarely wanted to get the real details of this coup. Luoz fight in the broad daylight...they are known to be fearless; hiyo kabila ingine are the types that fights by kujifichiwo...they couldn't dare lead from the front and instead lead from the comfort of the slopes while facing the tall mountain! NKT!!!!!!!! It's odd people don't understand the real facts on this coup.......the more reason they are confused understanding MO1's actions.....the teacher knows the whole truth behind the coup hence his actions/inactions. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Shak wrote:tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family? I find Moi a Godly Man, and it's highly probable that he worked for the greater good of our nation state, and that in this case he found balance in the presence of the Odingas. For, had he killed Raila, then enemy forces would be concentrated on him, and government fall on unsteady hands. I'm also puzzled that he spared Matiba's life. Or was he as good as dead when they released him from detention? You vannot compare the two. Moi would have beeen justified to hang both Odinga the father and Odinga the son. What happpened to matiba was wrong
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