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McReggae
#41 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:25:33 PM
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KNUT has issued a one-week strike notice over the July pay.....they say teachers are already on a go slow!!!
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mnjoro
#42 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:36:08 PM
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McReggae wrote:
KNUT has issued a one-week strike notice over the July pay.....they say teachers are already on a go slow!!!


And after the one week?
sheri
#43 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:38:44 PM
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They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.
Muheani
#44 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:38:48 PM
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McReggae wrote:
KNUT has issued a one-week strike notice over the July pay.....they say teachers are already on a go slow!!!


they will be paid.
Not so much due to the strike notice
But due to the fact that someone is not looking good at the moment and would want to look good
nakujua
#45 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:46:30 PM
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mnjoro wrote:
McReggae wrote:
KNUT has issued a one-week strike notice over the July pay.....they say teachers are already on a go slow!!!


And after the one week?

they will strike then wakatwe more cash, lets wait and see who will give up first.
but honestly this knut chaps, must they approach all issues in such confrontational ways - the pay issue is more of a legal one since the government signed a back to work formula. They should just go to court and challenge the deduction.

Hi mambo ya vitisho, will only make matters worse.
McReggae
#46 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:00:51 PM
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sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Impunity
#47 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:48:53 PM
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McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!


The terms were extended one week this term and next term also one week.

Someone argued that why should they be paid for the extra weeks now when they have not worked for the said extension weeks? He claimed that let the teachers cover the extra weeks and then claim for the pay.
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#48 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:59:41 PM
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McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.
Impunity
#49 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:06:04 PM
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mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.


In theory it should be!

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Magigi
#50 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:10:33 PM
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I remember Sossion saying this when he called off the strike, "The strike is off, I hear there are others who have said schools should be closed. How can you close schools that are already closed"? This may not have gone down well with Kaimenya...This is war between two individuals...Wapigano fahali wawili, nyasi huumia!
MaichBlack
#51 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:19:14 PM
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mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.

Exactly!!! Holiday time belongs to the employer, not the employee. It's only that the government cannot get them anything meaningful to do during that period. Now they have! Teachers are entitled to 21 days leave like everybody else. Just because they are paid for doing nothing during the [other] holidays, they should not expect to be paid MORE when there is work to do. They will recieve a salary in August, November and December!

Actually if I was a policy maker, teachers would be teaching adult classes during the holidays at no extra salary. Anyone who doesn't want to teach takes leave - subject to the usual 21 days annual limit. If they require any additional training to deal with 'gumbaru' students, I would gladly facilitate it. That way we have a more literate population and less idle/drunk teachers!!
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murchr
#52 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:26:58 PM
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mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.


If there's any gov employee who gets free money, its the teacher. 3 months of paid holiday I even wonder when they take their 21 leave days.
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mawinder
#53 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:27:08 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.

Exactly!!! Holiday time belongs to the employer, not the employee. It's only that the government cannot get them anything meaningful to do during that period. Now they have! Teachers are entitled to 21 days leave like everybody else. Just because they are paid for doing nothing during the [other] holidays, they should not expect to be paid MORE when there is work to do. They will recieve a salary in August, November and December!

Actually if I was a policy maker, teachers would be teaching adult classes during the holidays at no extra salary. Anyone who doesn't want to teach takes leave - subject to the usual 21 days annual limit. If they require any additional training to deal with 'gumbaru' students, I would gladly facilitate it. That way we have a more literate population and less idle/drunk teachers!!

Ditto.They should be deducted the pay for all those years they didnt sign the attendance register during the holidays.
Rankaz13
#54 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:33:29 PM
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Magigi wrote:
I remember Sossion saying this when he called off the strike, "The strike is off, I hear there are others who have said schools should be closed. How can you close schools that are already closed"? This may not have gone down well with Kaimenya...This is war between two individuals...Wapigano fahali wawili, nyasi huumia!


Hata kama ilikuja kwa meli, here goes:

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MaichBlack
#55 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:35:12 PM
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McReggae wrote:
KNUT has issued a one-week strike notice over the July pay.....they say teachers are already on a go slow!!!

Then the government can go slow on paying them!

Reminds me of a fellow who was doing his own things and when he sees the boss he pretends he is working. The boss told him "You pretend to work, I pretend to pay!"
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maka
#56 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:46:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.


If there's any gov employee who gets free money, its the teacher. 3 months of paid holiday I even wonder when they take their 21 leave days.

This is not true...
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murchr
#57 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:48:22 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.


If there's any gov employee who gets free money, its the teacher. 3 months of paid holiday I even wonder when they take their 21 leave days.

This is not true...


How is it not true?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Impunity
#58 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:12:22 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.


If there's any gov employee who gets free money, its the teacher. 3 months of paid holiday I even wonder when they take their 21 leave days.

This is not true...


Kwani is their salary calculated by subtracting the 3 months salary then the remainder spread evenly over the 12 months?
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Rankaz13
#59 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:33:49 PM
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mawinder wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
sheri wrote:
They will be paid less 18 days they were on strike.


I thought the term was extended coz of the strike......2 weeks this term and 1 week in 3rd term!!!

Is the leave during holidays automatic?I thought as part of their employment contract they are only entitled to 21 days annual leave,maternity leave,paternity leave only.During holidays they should report to school and stay there till 5 pm without the pupils.

Exactly!!! Holiday time belongs to the employer, not the employee. It's only that the government cannot get them anything meaningful to do during that period. Now they have! Teachers are entitled to 21 days leave like everybody else. Just because they are paid for doing nothing during the [other] holidays, they should not expect to be paid MORE when there is work to do. They will recieve a salary in August, November and December!

Actually if I was a policy maker, teachers would be teaching adult classes during the holidays at no extra salary. Anyone who doesn't want to teach takes leave - subject to the usual 21 days annual limit. If they require any additional training to deal with 'gumbaru' students, I would gladly facilitate it. That way we have a more literate population and less idle/drunk teachers!!

Ditto.They should be deducted the pay for all those years they didnt sign the attendance register during the holidays.


Which reminds me, why exactly was this department previously placed under the culture & social services ministry when education is its proper and natural home? I hope this was remedied in the new dispensation.
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mawinder
#60 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:52:58 PM
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