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limanika
#501 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 2:50:38 PM
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Am looking for the slightest excuse to buy local and hold the view that some time in near future we should not import any finished product that goes to build a house. For say 99% of the people, the largest investment they will ever make is the roof over their head, or the roof over their tenants’ heads. It would make great sense to retain all this money here and create jobs with it.
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#502 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 4:35:09 PM
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@limanika. Good to know you are a true nationalist like me. Unfortunately, there is nothing local in the stone coated roof tile. The steel is made in China or South Korea. What the Kenyans are doing is to paint/galvanise it. If you really want to buy local, clay is the solution. It comes in various patterns eg mangalore, spanish S, etc etc. Stone coated roof tiles are a method of trying to immitate clay tiles. Clay tiles cost kes 600 per m2, same as stone coated roof tile in China. Get the real tiles, save money and create jobs.
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limanika
#503 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 5:26:52 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@limanika. Good to know you are a true nationalist like me. Unfortunately, there is nothing local in the stone coated roof tile. The steel is made in China or South Korea. What the Kenyans are doing is to paint/galvanise it. If you really want to buy local, clay is the solution. It comes in various patterns eg mangalore, spanish S, etc etc. Stone coated roof tiles are a method of trying to immitate clay tiles. Clay tiles cost kes 600 per m2, same as stone coated roof tile in China. Get the real tiles, save money and create jobs.
You are talking about the present / past and to that extent you are correct. However am talking about possibilities in the future. Our problem in Africa is that we adopt whatever technology and standards the West comes up with. If we cannot manufacture steel competitively just because we do not have enough iron ore, then why can’t we make some Kenya Standard to the effect that roofing of houses should be in clay tiles and nothing else– We should build our houses with local material that are available here at home, just like our fore fathers used to. The west and the Chinese would rather do the same than import such finished goods from Africa - Please someone confirm if we ever export these clay tiles to the West / East? If only we can invest in smart technology and reduce the cost of doing business in Kenya and Africa at large– transportation costs, corruption, energy costs, etc, it should be possible to compete at par with china and manufacture some of these products right here. We can still import some raw materials that need to go into the mix.
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#504 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 5:41:37 PM
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http://www.european-time...nstruction/uganda-clays/
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The company has been ISO 9001:2000 certified since 2003 and is working on ISO 9001:2008 certification. Uganda Clays exports its products to Kenya and Southern Sudan and sees significant potential in Tanzania and Rwanda. Charles Rubaijaniza is optimistic about the growth of the company because of the many market opportunities in the East African Region.
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Vj
#505 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 11:02:26 PM
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I recently used the tactile roofing tiles for a recent project, we worked out a deal whereby I got a profile for around 650 inclusive VAT, and 2 profiles cover an area slightly over 1 square meter. So go and bargain. As I used the tile in a recent project I can't comment on the longevity of the color, but I don't think it should be a problem given their state of the art manufacturing process compared to roofing tile factory I visited in China. For now I can say that there is no shade variation between the tiles and they have all necessary accessories in stock. We used the MRM light weight steel roofing structure for the project and completion time for the entire process was very quick. I have used clay tiles with IT-4 sheets before and the result was beautiful classic Mediterranean look though the savings weren't considerable when compared to the coated steel tile roof.
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limanika
#506 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:38:56 AM
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Vj wrote:
I recently used the tactile roofing tiles for a recent project, we worked out a deal whereby I got a profile for around 650 inclusive VAT, and 2 profiles cover an area slightly over 1 square meter. So go and bargain. As I used the tile in a recent project I can't comment on the longevity of the color, but I don't think it should be a problem given their state of the art manufacturing process compared to roofing tile factory I visited in China. For now I can say that there is no shade variation between the tiles and they have all necessary accessories in stock. We used the MRM light weight steel roofing structure for the project and completion time for the entire process was very quick. I have used clay tiles with IT-4 sheets before and the result was beautiful classic Mediterranean look though the savings weren't considerable when compared to the coated steel tile roof.
That was very good deal, you saved 30% right there. How does cost of MRM roof structure compare with timber?
Vj
#507 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:37:11 PM
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The MRM roof structure came to about 2500 per square meter, I don't have the exact figures but we were paying around 250,000 more for the steel roof compared to a timber roof. As much as timber roofs will serve you well, the reason I choose steel over timber is due to the sagging of timber trusses when the roof leaks and it complicates the repair process, and the timber quality nowadays just isn't at par with that from the past, timber roofs from back in the day lasted without issues.
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limanika
#508 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:33:51 AM
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Vj wrote:
The MRM roof structure came to about 2500 per square meter, I don't have the exact figures but we were paying around 250,000 more for the steel roof compared to a timber roof. As much as timber roofs will serve you well, the reason I choose steel over timber is due to the sagging of timber trusses when the roof leaks and it complicates the repair process, and the timber quality nowadays just isn't at par with that from the past, timber roofs from back in the day lasted without issues.
@VJ, Many thanks for sharing. You paid a premium for MRM roof structure out of choice, this is ok. What I find interesting – assuming your roof is 350SM minimum is that you saved upwards of 200K by going for Tactile as opposed to Decra, and this would have been enough to cater for timber roof structure. On the issue of fading, I would be willing to give Tile and Carpet the benefit of doubt. They have painstakingly built a reputation with their other products and I would not expect them to fail on this after investing so much. The net effect is that there will be a price war, competitors will be forced to lower prices or move out. The downside is that Tile and Carpet could raise prices if demand is too high. All in all, a step in the right direction.
Dahatre
#509 Posted : Thursday, August 01, 2013 10:26:32 AM
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Wajenzi wenzangu: In the interest of sharing, I found chuma artisans on outer ring road (mutindwa area) that are making security doors that have the look and feel of those Israeli doors I mentioned earlier. The quoted price is 18,000/= for basic door and 30,000/= for a double door. They would not let me take a photo to post here, but I was pretty impressed. They have impressive gates too. Disclaimer: Not associated with them, but a big advocate of locally made products...
Dahatre wrote:
I want security doors for two maisonettes that I am building. I went comparison shopping and found a wide range of prices from KES 18,000 all the way to KES 500,000 for Israeli built doors that I loved, but the price range is out of my reach. Israel doors: http://www.leadinglocks.com/view.php?ID=70 My question: Do you know anyone who is reverse engineering these kinds of doors here in Kenya?
african coloner
#510 Posted : Thursday, August 08, 2013 4:01:11 PM
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@Architect, what do you do when a slab top layer has been washed by the rain during the laying? it rained when we were doing koroga.
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