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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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There's hardly a kind of dressing that can't be seductive. It's not once that I've noticed seduction in a 'buibui'.
And there's no 'imported' religion. Or all religion is imported. But by this expression we could be saying either we are not satisfied by our religious experience or life doesn't necessitate a convergence and sharing of culture and thought, 'universally'. Both options are 'unfortunate'.
One sees seduction because seduction has filled his head. Now we want a convinient scapegoat and once more we want to pull in the woman. We have not realized yet that it is 'our' self that is on the weighing scale.
Human sexuality is so powerful that it's so easy to cower in shame. But we must remember that we are talking about our power here. Our being like God.
Surely, it shouldn't be expected that institutions should enforce dressing codes. This just means that there's no freedom, implying no truth. This is idolatry, which trickles down to the deepest recesses of our minds.
The problem is 'mental slavery'.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/22/2013 Posts: 31
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Siringi wrote:Justice League wrote:@Mukiri, why the insult? I'm not an agent of the devil; I'm actually a Christian. Born again.
@mukiha, I've actually read the Bible and haven't found anything to back the practice. That's why I came to try and find an answer from wazua. Pisha hodi plug or socket? Bado  Worry not tis called karibu wazua Plug na socket ni nini?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Justice League wrote:Siringi wrote:Justice League wrote:@Mukiri, why the insult? I'm not an agent of the devil; I'm actually a Christian. Born again.
@mukiha, I've actually read the Bible and haven't found anything to back the practice. That's why I came to try and find an answer from wazua. Pisha hodi plug or socket? Bado Worry not tis called karibu wazua Plug na socket ni nini? Kwani kwako hakuna umeme? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/12/2013 Posts: 69
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CLK wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:CLK made reference to Seventh-day Adventists. Is there any Seventh-day Adventist here reading this? I would really love to make acquaintance with you and chat with you about other things and preferably not in this thread or necessarily about this topic - there is a lot to talk about. I will be exceedingly thrilled and honored to (virtually) meet you and even more thrilled to discuss with you. @Ante_Christa, I am not sure i can call myself a Seventh Day Adventist,maybe a rebel one, but yes born and bred in the confines of SDA, however went to catholic schools. Yeah the debate can be very interesting. Looking forward Alright! From today, I will be handling Ante_Christas' correspondences until further notice. I hope you will not mind if I use this handle. I am mighty pleased to meet you. Just for Mukiri.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/12/2013 Posts: 69
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CLK wrote:Tokyo wrote:Our forefathers were comfortable with minimal or no clothes. Promiscuity among other sexual evils were unheard of. The problem is imported religion More or else, imported religion plus imported culture while trying to keep the original culture. People forget except for the extremes, what Kenyans wear to the clubbing scene is normal day to day wear elsewhere, refer to my earlier post. For instance, the SDA do not allow/recognize rings during a wedding, however couples go ahead and exchange them at the reception for instance. A Seventh Day Adventist in Loma Linda (Place believed to be the origin of the SDA religion)will wear a trouser probably daily or even in church (not sure about at the pulpit)while at Maxwell in Nairobi, utapewa leso, my digz church, my mum wont let me out of the house with the trouser if she knew i was going to church. Now my beef starts when we want to live differently on one single day of the week and the rest of the times we reflect something else. christianity/religion is a way of life, day to day. Of what benefit is it or was difference does it make if last night i wore skimpily and led someone to lust and today morning am in a long robe at the pulpit?? Would like to know from those men in Samburu/turkana where women walk around with their boobs out, what happens?? Sex is being idolized, left right centre, up down , its all about sex and this is where the real problem lies, kwanza whoever allowed sex before marriage ndio alitupoteza..... You are right that beef should be with the individuals who are not keeping the teachings. I read and re-read what D32 is saying and I like it (what he is saying). He might be also be Adventist, if am not wrong. I am thrilled to read him too. For example, in dress, food and in all else, Christians are primarily supposed to honor their creator and then as a by-product unconverted persons can see the difference. God had earlier given his preference to dress and since He does not change, I will be hard pressed to insist his preference has since changed or that he has changed his mind. His preference concerned those who served in the temple, the priests, the Aarons of that day. Christians today insist they are a chosen generation a royal priesthood. Therefore, simply, His preference then still holds for them. If they take the title, they take the responsibility or else drop the responsibility and also the title. Just for Mukiri.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/12/2013 Posts: 69
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CLK wrote:Tokyo wrote:Our forefathers were comfortable with minimal or no clothes. Promiscuity among other sexual evils were unheard of. The problem is imported religion More or else, imported religion plus imported culture while trying to keep the original culture. People forget except for the extremes, what Kenyans wear to the clubbing scene is normal day to day wear elsewhere, refer to my earlier post. For instance, the SDA do not allow/recognize rings during a wedding, however couples go ahead and exchange them at the reception for instance. A Seventh Day Adventist in Loma Linda (Place believed to be the origin of the SDA religion)will wear a trouser probably daily or even in church (not sure about at the pulpit)while at Maxwell in Nairobi, utapewa leso, my digz church, my mum wont let me out of the house with the trouser if she knew i was going to church. Now my beef starts when we want to live differently on one single day of the week and the rest of the times we reflect something else. christianity/religion is a way of life, day to day. Of what benefit is it or was difference does it make if last night i wore skimpily and led someone to lust and today morning am in a long robe at the pulpit?? Would like to know from those men in Samburu/turkana where women walk around with their boobs out, what happens?? Sex is being idolized, left right centre, up down , its all about sex and this is where the real problem lies, kwanza whoever allowed sex before marriage ndio alitupoteza..... Sorry I had to break my post for readability. What is done at Maxwell is neither strange nor unreasonable. They are, in the first instance, merely protecting themselves; I want to believe it has got nothing to do with making the offending person feel inferior about her apparel. If THAT God they are worshipping were to visibly appear there and then, in his justice the people there would pay - individually - for their actions AND inactions. In His mercy he doesnt visibly appear - yet. This does not give license or leeway to assume his preference had since changed and mellowed with time. This is the mistake mordern christians like Mukiri make, that since justice is not visibly swift as in days of old, then justice is just a tall-tale which mercy has overriden. Jusitice and mercy met at the cross and I have been telling christians that since they are too crucified with Christ, then they should all meet there, they, Christ and the law at the cross. A handful of verses cannot be read to knock against other verses and if it appears they are in contradiction the problem is with the reader's interpretation and not the verses. By the way, if Maxwell is your church, hold on with both hands. As for the samburu men and women and our great great great great grandfathers and grandmothers, I say that accountability begins with awareness. If someone is aware and for some reason willfully disregards, that does not free you and me from the obligations so that we cite that person as precedence. That approach may work in Mutungas' courts. Only. Just for Mukiri.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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Methinks as long as the traoza doesnt reveal the camel toe its okay to go! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/12/2012 Posts: 84
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Rankaz13 wrote:Justice League wrote:Siringi wrote:Justice League wrote:@Mukiri, why the insult? I'm not an agent of the devil; I'm actually a Christian. Born again.
@mukiha, I've actually read the Bible and haven't found anything to back the practice. That's why I came to try and find an answer from wazua. Pisha hodi plug or socket? Bado Worry not tis called karibu wazua Plug na socket ni nini? Kwani kwako hakuna umeme? 
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/19/2012 Posts: 552
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chepkel wrote:washiku wrote:By the way av u ever seen a naked donkey? Cow? Crocodile? Well, they all don't wear clothes but nobody really pays attention....think why.... I think a forbidden fruit was eaten. People have started noticing...ask people from Kiambu, Mombasa and Nyeri @Washiku, agreed. Look at our Turkana women, out there in lodwar or lokichar, usually their top is bare and no one seems to notice the exposed breasts. Guess its all in the mind, we see what we want to see. Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around.... Leo Buscaglia
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