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Caramba
#1 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:08:12 AM
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Radical.
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marko
#2 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:13:54 PM
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Clearly. A lost sheep.
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tycho
#3 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:18:30 PM
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marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?
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marko
#4 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:23:33 PM
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tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?


The bible is very clear about homosexuality. When one of its leaders starts making such comments then it just goes to confuse everyone else. Should we follow the bible teachings or set them aside and follow the individual opinions of church leaders?
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Wakanyugi
#5 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:05:42 PM
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marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?


The bible is very clear about homosexuality. When one of its leaders starts making such comments then it just goes to confuse everyone else. Should we follow the bible teachings or set them aside and follow the individual opinions of church leaders?



The Bible is also very clear about the golden rule.

How does homophobia square with the teachings of Jesus, to love other people?

Me thinks Mzee Tutu is a preacher way ahead of his time - at least in Africa.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Alba
#6 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 5:00:14 PM
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Thank you Bishop Tutu for teaching Africans tolerance. Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Africans we need to chill with all this homophobia. This is the 21st century for Petes sake.
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tycho
#7 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:10:39 PM
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marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?


The bible is very clear about homosexuality. When one of its leaders starts making such comments then it just goes to confuse everyone else. Should we follow the bible teachings or set them aside and follow the individual opinions of church leaders?


The Bible isn't just the revealed word of God. It is also a statement of human wisdom.

And it is upon us to be diligent. The other day I was watching 'the Borgias' and there's this place the new Pope tells his son Cesare to help him interpret 'The silence of God'.

And my mind went back to the men and women of the ancient of days. And I'm filled with anguish. Is the Spirit within this temple? Now?

The matter is so crucial. 'God loves man'. God loves me. Who am I? I am everyone. Everything and nothing.

I am the evolution of human consciousness. Consciousness of the silence of God, which alas, is so eloquent.

From Genesis to Revelation I see Man's consciousness of God changing along with fixed 'motifs'. And so is it with other holy books.

And at every turn God appropriates the Sin of the world; an ever expanding world.

Let us not forget that awareness of God's presence transforms us to His likeness. Imagine there are some people who are not invited to this healing, and transforming moment.

And to keep some people off, this exclusive God has employed some people to do the police work.

Yet we are all sinners and our righteousness is filthy rags. Surely the idea of a homophobic God is untenable!

To think that doing 'good', attending mass and practicing heterosexuality accounts for holiness is idol worship and departure from truth.
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marko
#8 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:08:30 PM
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tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?


The bible is very clear about homosexuality. When one of its leaders starts making such comments then it just goes to confuse everyone else. Should we follow the bible teachings or set them aside and follow the individual opinions of church leaders?


The Bible isn't just the revealed word of God. It is also a statement of human wisdom.

And it is upon us to be diligent. The other day I was watching 'the Borgias' and there's this place the new Pope tells his son Cesare to help him interpret 'The silence of God'.

And my mind went back to the men and women of the ancient of days. And I'm filled with anguish. Is the Spirit within this temple? Now?

The matter is so crucial. 'God loves man'. God loves me. Who am I? I am everyone. Everything and nothing.

I am the evolution of human consciousness. Consciousness of the silence of God, which alas, is so eloquent.

From Genesis to Revelation I see Man's consciousness of God changing along with fixed 'motifs'. And so is it with other holy books.

And at every turn God appropriates the Sin of the world; an ever expanding world.

Let us not forget that awareness of God's presence transforms us to His likeness. Imagine there are some people who are not invited to this healing, and transforming moment.

And to keep some people off, this exclusive God has employed some people to do the police work.

Yet we are all sinners and our righteousness is filthy rags. Surely the idea of a homophobic God is untenable!

To think that doing 'good', attending mass and practicing heterosexuality accounts for holiness is idol worship and departure from truth.


Lets be honest. Homosexuality is legal in many countries. I repeat legal. Why the hustle to get it into the church? If the church in Africa does not want it then let it go. These are the same people who told us coz their God had a son he is better than ours. Now they come back and tell us that God has now changed His mind and He does not mind homosexuals. C'mon seriously. We need to get our own identity. All you progressive thinkers need to get your own identities. I bet if the Americans said bestiality is fine then you all would follow suit.Anyway, lemme end here. I have learnt that Africans are a cursed lot. Europeans are the worst thing that happened to us.
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tycho
#9 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:27:18 PM
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marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?


The bible is very clear about homosexuality. When one of its leaders starts making such comments then it just goes to confuse everyone else. Should we follow the bible teachings or set them aside and follow the individual opinions of church leaders?


The Bible isn't just the revealed word of God. It is also a statement of human wisdom.

And it is upon us to be diligent. The other day I was watching 'the Borgias' and there's this place the new Pope tells his son Cesare to help him interpret 'The silence of God'.

And my mind went back to the men and women of the ancient of days. And I'm filled with anguish. Is the Spirit within this temple? Now?

The matter is so crucial. 'God loves man'. God loves me. Who am I? I am everyone. Everything and nothing.

I am the evolution of human consciousness. Consciousness of the silence of God, which alas, is so eloquent.

From Genesis to Revelation I see Man's consciousness of God changing along with fixed 'motifs'. And so is it with other holy books.

And at every turn God appropriates the Sin of the world; an ever expanding world.

Let us not forget that awareness of God's presence transforms us to His likeness. Imagine there are some people who are not invited to this healing, and transforming moment.

And to keep some people off, this exclusive God has employed some people to do the police work.

Yet we are all sinners and our righteousness is filthy rags. Surely the idea of a homophobic God is untenable!

To think that doing 'good', attending mass and practicing heterosexuality accounts for holiness is idol worship and departure from truth.


Lets be honest. Homosexuality is legal in many countries. I repeat legal. Why the hustle to get it into the church? If the church in Africa does not want it then let it go. These are the same people who told us coz their God had a son he is better than ours. Now they come back and tell us that God has now changed His mind and He does not mind homosexuals. C'mon seriously. We need to get our own identity. All you progressive thinkers need to get your own identities. I bet if the Americans said bestiality is fine then you all would follow suit.Anyway, lemme end here. I have learnt that Africans are a cursed lot. Europeans are the worst thing that happened to us.


Afrikana, are a people of spirit. And this identity is universal. Think about what it means to be the cradle of man. Contrast it with the segragationist ideas that you are defending.

Should a family be torn apart because the son is a homosexual? Who owns Scripture?

My identity is intact, and clear, and I will not fear homosexuality or rest under a false sense of righteousness.
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digitek1
#10 Posted : Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:06:32 PM
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marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
tycho wrote:
marko wrote:
Clearly. A lost sheep.


How?


The bible is very clear about homosexuality. When one of its leaders starts making such comments then it just goes to confuse everyone else. Should we follow the bible teachings or set them aside and follow the individual opinions of church leaders?


The Bible isn't just the revealed word of God. It is also a statement of human wisdom.

And it is upon us to be diligent. The other day I was watching 'the Borgias' and there's this place the new Pope tells his son Cesare to help him interpret 'The silence of God'.

And my mind went back to the men and women of the ancient of days. And I'm filled with anguish. Is the Spirit within this temple? Now?

The matter is so crucial. 'God loves man'. God loves me. Who am I? I am everyone. Everything and nothing.

I am the evolution of human consciousness. Consciousness of the silence of God, which alas, is so eloquent.

From Genesis to Revelation I see Man's consciousness of God changing along with fixed 'motifs'. And so is it with other holy books.

And at every turn God appropriates the Sin of the world; an ever expanding world.

Let us not forget that awareness of God's presence transforms us to His likeness. Imagine there are some people who are not invited to this healing, and transforming moment.

And to keep some people off, this exclusive God has employed some people to do the police work.

Yet we are all sinners and our righteousness is filthy rags. Surely the idea of a homophobic God is untenable!

To think that doing 'good', attending mass and practicing heterosexuality accounts for holiness is idol worship and departure from truth.


Lets be honest. Homosexuality is legal in many countries. I repeat legal. Why the hustle to get it into the church? If the church in Africa does not want it then let it go. These are the same people who told us coz their God had a son he is better than ours. Now they come back and tell us that God has now changed His mind and He does not mind homosexuals. C'mon seriously. We need to get our own identity. All you progressive thinkers need to get your own identities. I bet if the Americans said bestiality is fine then you all would follow suit.Anyway, lemme end here. I have learnt that Africans are a cursed lot. Europeans are the worst thing that happened to us.


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I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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