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Moon Landing that never was....
MADE
#41 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:10:00 AM
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@Mukiha....more questions beg on answer 10.
Thanx that yu also appreciate that it was a political PR exercise!

Our generation and probably the next will never accept it was a hoax,we want to believe,but our grandchildren will probably be privy to the penny dropping. It was after all a political exercise,President Kennedy promised a man on the Moon by the end of the decade (whether it was possible or not) and Nixon would have looked a loser if he didn't fulfill it. Remember Nixon has been regarded as the most deceitful,scheming and dishonest American Prezo of recent times. How come it was only him who commissioned the 6 landings and no other Prezo yet we know space program is of long term


Of course,if they really did go to the Moon you'd have to ask the question: Why did they go SIX times? (Apollo 11-17) Now that makes neither political nor scientific sense. Unless...


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Kenyan Enigma
#42 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:26:00 AM
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@ All,

Pliz look for a documentary called 'The Apollo Conspiracy'.

I am generally not a big fan of conspiracy theories but,when one event has so many inconsistencies something just doesn't add up e.g. If you are a group of people outside in the open with only the sun for light,then all your shadows should be alligned in the same direction and propotional to each others shadow yet there is a photo of the astranauts in which the shadows were facing different directions (kinda like the effect created due to many spotlights used during football games that are played after dark) and one shadow was much longer than the shadow of another similar sized object. Now if the astronauts did not carry any artificial lighting as they claimed and were only relying on sunlight,then why were the shadows so inconsistent?

This is just one of the many inconsistencies pointed out in the film (It's over 40 minutes long),so I would suggest you look for a copy and watch then decide for yourself on which side of this discussion do you stand.


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mukiha
#43 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:32:00 AM
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@Kenyan Enigma: you are right,I meant to write 3tons. Now ask yourself,how would you find out if the lander left an impression? After it has taken off. So how can you take the photo after you have taken off......hmm!

About the shadows,there is no such photo! If you have it,give us a link.
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:35:00 AM
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Must others be behind just because we are!

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mukiha
#45 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:45:00 AM
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This makes interesting reading:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

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#46 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:50:00 AM
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....and why/how did the 2000 original tapes get 'lost' up to date? I understand the landing film shown to the world as 'live' was different from what pple in Australia saw (yes,they saw the original bluff b4 it was swiftly doctored)


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mukiha
#47 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:51:00 AM
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...it's so much easier to believe that it was fake....because you don't have to look for evidence nor do you have to think hard...

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McReggae
#48 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:16:00 PM
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Sure Mukiha!

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MADE
#49 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:48:00 PM
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@Mukiha n McReggae....interesting how yu throw in the towel.
There was a query as to how come the Soviets never cried foul if it was a hoax. Read on....
Well,the Russians probably didn't have the technology or the intel to be 100% certain that the Americans weren't actually sending men to the Moon. If they'd have called 'hoax' it would have looked like sour grapes and they could have been perceived wrong. Besides which,they'd already had their glory 1961 with Yuri Gargarin and that was undiminished.
Secondly,the Russians were very happy to have an excuse to quit the Moon race,it was costing more than they could afford and there was no prospect of success in the near future.
Thirdly,it was good Cold War propaganda to feed to the Russian people- that America was a bogeyman to be feared.
Russia would have had nothing to gain and quite a bit to lose by exposing the hoax. If they had exposed it there would have been pressure to do what the Americans couldn't - but they couldn't afford it and they knew they couldn't do it so they'd have ended up looking stupid and weak. Not a good idea in 1960s Russia.

.....Hope the foregoing now finishes the debate

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#50 Posted : Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:56:00 PM
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I also normally struggle with the question of why its taken so long for another moon landing,but I still believe the landings of the 60's took place for the simple reason;

- that the sheer size of the space program would make it impossible to keep the supposed conspiracy a secret.

- Secondly,the conspiracist read too much into the politics and forget the scientists behind the space programs. Scientists are naturally too proud to lie about their achievements,first because they are based on widely shared facts and secondly because they can be easily proven wrong. If the moon landings were faked,then independent scientists/physcists would have discovered that along time ago.

And finally,to me its more of an achievement to fake the moonlandings and keep it a secret for so long than actual landing on the moon.


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