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Jamii Bora Makao (Kisaju) backfires
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:48:09 PM
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@majimaji..well put. Simply, Nairobi City provides such a huge income generating opportunity that the whole country has to flock here to survive.

The Land commission needs to quickly implement idle land taxation so that all these people can access land either by leasing, renting or buying hence increasing productivity.

With idle land taxation, there will be no need for people to buy houses in the middle of nowhere eg Jamii Bora.
Idle land around Nairobi will be offered for rent, lease or sale which will then provide access for people to use while still being close to the city.

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#22 Posted : Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:04:46 PM
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The issue of land taxation will remain a pipe dream for years to come... especially the fact that UMK is one of the biggest if not the biggest and the current legislators will not dare go that direction
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#23 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:43:12 PM
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@ a4architect.com Idle land taxation will result in the prices of land ( both sale price and leasing) depreciating due to the resultant supply in the market as majority of the people are not able to immediately develop the land and may try to avoid the tax. This definitely cannot go well with the current crop of leaders as they are big land owners.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:22:39 PM
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@mucene. The large land owners are mostly early european settler families eg delamere, catholic church and GOK.
Kenyatta family owns very little land compared to these.During the debate @UKenyatta told us he is not among the largest land owners in Kenya, a very true statement.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:43:41 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@mucene. The large land owners are mostly early european settler families eg delamere, catholic church and GOK.
Kenyatta family owns very little land compared to these.During the debate @UKenyatta told us he is not among the largest land owners in Kenya, a very true statement.


Could this be a reason that the 'old' mzungu families in Kenya don't make too much noise (pay their taxes, engage in low-key activities and generally remain below the radar)? Those British families that opted to remain in Kenya post-independence (Cholmondeley - yani Delamare, Markham, Fowler, Erskine, etc) always seem to be monied without much evidence of where this income derived.

One just discovers that there's a new exclusive tented camp or beach-front development in which they are involved and the mathavu never seems to add up. Is this a fair assessment of the true situation - i.e., they are large land owners and they actually don't have to work because their income from rent and other land related activities is obscene?

On a related point, I hear that Tom Cholmondeley is a very popular guy amongst his workers and tenants (between Naivasha and Nakuru...). Ati the monster that was depicted in the press was all a creation of the press... may just be a rumour...
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:21:16 PM
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@muchno...cholmondleys tenants stretch all the way from Naivasha to Nakuru, nearly 50 km. His land stretched farther to Njoro but he sold to lord egerton and Njenga Karume near Elementaita.

Check here for the map
https://maps.google.co.k...p=1,0&sz=11&z=11
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#27 Posted : Friday, September 20, 2013 11:04:00 AM
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Urbanis Africa signs an MOU regarding the Demonstration at Kisaju View Park Estate (KVPE'S) Neighborhood 5 -- LINK

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:24:46 PM
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Now that I see this , I remember visting Kisaju and nothing was going on....is this project dead like a dodo
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#29 Posted : Sunday, November 03, 2013 7:57:38 AM
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My cousin bought a house in Kisaju back in 2011, the quoted price was 1.2m but she ended up forking 1.4M, she now owns a house in the middle of nowhere. But she is hopefull something will come out of her investment.
Its all good.
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#30 Posted : Monday, July 21, 2014 10:55:16 AM
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majimaji wrote:

People, lets get the facts right:

the majority of people in Nairobi live in slums and informal settlements because simply that is what their incomes afford.
secondly, in Kenya we have tyranny of land ownership: few own big vacant lands ie the Kirimas, the Kenyatta's, the Njonjo's whoever. Until there are incentives or penalties to dispose such undeveloped land, land inflation will always be here.
I may have 10 acres in Kakamega but the income from farming may not be steady,I may want my kids to go to particular schools and of course other amenities that are found in the towns is an incentive; thus may prefer kayole to shags

Very interesting thinking!
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#31 Posted : Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:16:06 AM
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They just received 100m loan from Shelter Afrique to offer mortgage to borrowers. Mortgage to be capped at 2m Kshs , int rate of 20 % and to target those who earn a net salary of 100,000kshs per month. This could be a game changer if it were a construction loan.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, August 20, 2015 5:20:46 PM
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2016 5:30:08 PM
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Has Kisaju woken up yet. Who has visited of late ?
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