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Trousers for ladies in church
tycho
#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:49:05 PM
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CLK wrote:
Justice League wrote:
Many churches enforce a strict SUNDAY dress code for ladies who are ministries such as choir, ushering etc. Even the lady preachers are not spared; most will be told beforehand that trousers on the pulpit are a complete no-no.

What's interesting is that the same rule doesn't seem to during the week.

Is this really based on the Bible? Could it be that we have imposed aspects of our culture in our churches?


I believe Adam and Eve used to walk around naked until they ate the forbidden fruit, that's when they started feeling ashamed of their nakedness. ideally we could all be walking naked and nothing would happen.
I can be collected....


Interestingly, clothes conceal by revealing.

St. Augustine comes to mind with his, 'Love God and do what you please'. Then there's nothing to conceal, and one is naked and free of guilt.
kysse
#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:22:06 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
This could be another agent of the devil! Whom are you to judge others... and who are others to judge you? Go to church to pray, not to look at what others are doing


@ Mukiri,
Why do you like calling people agents of the devil when you know nothing about their lives?
I find it harsh esp coming from a pastor.





maka
#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:33:09 PM
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Lets compare notes in heaven...hope I will find you there
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kysse
#34 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:40:05 PM
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washiku wrote:
Somebody help me understand this verse: Deutronomy 22:5

Quote:
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God


We no longer live under the law but under the dispensation of Grace.
Those who live by the law shall be judged by the law.

Who designed the clothes that we wear? Who decided that a man must wear a trouser and a woman dress?
What did people in days of old wear? robes? weren't they feminine?

If a designer cuts out a lady's trouser? how does it become a man's?
The only thing I would raise a storm about is inner.
Man should be more concerned about the soul because what we see on the outside is a reflection of the inner person.
Lolest!
#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:06:58 PM
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@essyk, my point xactly!! Culture defines a woman/man's wear. Men shouldnt wear those light material trous for women.
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washiku
#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:11:53 PM
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By the way av u ever seen a naked donkey? Cow? Crocodile? Well, they all don't wear clothes but nobody really pays attention....think why....
Justice League
#37 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:33:36 PM
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kysse wrote:
washiku wrote:
Somebody help me understand this verse: Deutronomy 22:5

Quote:
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God


We no longer live under the law but under the dispensation of Grace.
Those who live by the law shall be judged by the law.

Who designed the clothes that we wear? Who decided that a man must wear a trouser and a woman dress?
What did people in days of old wear? robes? weren't they feminine?

If a designer cuts out a lady's trouser? how does it become a man's?
The only thing I would raise a storm about is inner.
Man should be more concerned about the soul because what we see on the outside is a reflection of the inner person.


You have captured my thoughts exactly. Having been in church ministry for over a decade, I've been really struggling with this particular rule. Wherever I go, I hear the same mantra repeated: no trousers for the ladies on the pulpit on Sunday. I feel that it has become a legalism and is not based on any Bible teaching. What bothers me even more is that nobody has an issue with ladies wearing trousers on any other day of the week.

Those who quote from Deuteronomy chapter 22 fail to understand that ladies trousers are designed for ladies and not men. I can bet that trousers did not exist in Moses' time so that scripture couldn't have been about the longis.

I'm with kysse when he says that we no longer live under the law. Colossians 2:6-23 addresses the issues regarding legalisms in church and conludes by saying: 'these rules provide no help in conquering a person's evil desires' (New Living Translation, 2nd ed).

From the responses I've received, it's clear to me that there's nothing wrong with wearing them, not even on Sunday.

The issue for me is now settled and I'm at peace.

P.S. @maka, I hope so too.
kysse
#38 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:52:17 PM
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Justice League wrote:


You have captured my thoughts exactly. Having been in church ministry for over a decade, I've been really struggling with this particular rule. Wherever I go, I hear the same mantra repeated: no trousers for the ladies on the pulpit on Sunday. I feel that it has become a legalism and is not based on any Bible teaching. What bothers me even more is that nobody has an issue with ladies wearing trousers on any other day of the week.

Those who quote from Deuteronomy chapter 22 fail to understand that ladies trousers are designed for ladies and not men. I can bet that trousers did not exist in Moses' time so that scripture couldn't have been about the longis.

I'm with kysse when he says that we no longer live under the law. Colossians 2:6-23 addresses the issues regarding legalisms in church and conludes by saying: 'these rules provide no help in conquering a person's evil desires' (New Living Translation, 2nd ed).

From the responses I've received, it's clear to me that there's nothing wrong with wearing them, not even on Sunday.

The issue for me is now settled and I'm at peace.

P.S. @maka, I hope so too.


Ok let me try to be more clear.

Fast forward to Grace period-

Romans 14:1-23
Quote:
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. .


Romans 14:13
Quote:
decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.


-It must have been Paul who said'To the romans I became a roman that I may win the romans.He did not want his behaviour/beliefs/opinions to stumble others and cause them not to accept christ.
So what about us?
Learn/understand the congregation and their attitude towards things including dressing before bombarding them with scripture lest you cause them to stumble.
Do they believe in gowns? wear a gown and preach christ to them.
Do they wear jeans? like the bike riders? do the same cz they will listen,since you identify with them.
If they don't believe in women and trousers please DO NOT WEAR because you have become a stumbling block.
The gospel isn't wrapped up in dressing, but the dressing will determine if that gospel will be preached or not.

Mukiri
#39 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:21:34 AM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
kysse wrote:
Justice League wrote:


You have captured my thoughts exactly. Having been in church ministry for over a decade, I've been really struggling with this particular rule. Wherever I go, I hear the same mantra repeated: no trousers for the ladies on the pulpit on Sunday. I feel that it has become a legalism and is not based on any Bible teaching. What bothers me even more is that nobody has an issue with ladies wearing trousers on any other day of the week.

Those who quote from Deuteronomy chapter 22 fail to understand that ladies trousers are designed for ladies and not men. I can bet that trousers did not exist in Moses' time so that scripture couldn't have been about the longis.

I'm with kysse when he says that we no longer live under the law. Colossians 2:6-23 addresses the issues regarding legalisms in church and conludes by saying: 'these rules provide no help in conquering a person's evil desires' (New Living Translation, 2nd ed).

From the responses I've received, it's clear to me that there's nothing wrong with wearing them, not even on Sunday.

The issue for me is now settled and I'm at peace.

P.S. @maka, I hope so too.


Ok let me try to be more clear.

Fast forward to Grace period-

Romans 14:1-23
Quote:
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. .


Romans 14:13
Quote:
decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.


-It must have been Paul who said'To the romans I became a roman that I may win the romans.He did not want his behaviour/beliefs/opinions to stumble others and cause them not to accept christ.
So what about us?
Learn/understand the congregation and their attitude towards things including dressing before bombarding them with scripture lest you cause them to stumble.
Do they believe in gowns? wear a gown and preach christ to them.
Do they wear jeans? like the bike riders? do the same cz they will listen,since you identify with them.
If they don't believe in women and trousers please DO NOT WEAR because you have become a stumbling block.
The gospel isn't wrapped up in dressing, but the dressing will determine if that gospel will be preached or not.


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murchr
#40 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 5:37:48 AM
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Deuteronomy 22:5 wrote:
“A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God
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