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I recently bought a set of second hand heavy duty springs at a very low price .no money to buy heavy duty shoks. I want fit robs magik heavy duty coil springs and mount them using ordinary shock absobers. Is that ok or what kind of problems can I expect now or in the future? The car is a Prado Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/12/2013 Posts: 28 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:I recently bought a set of second hand heavy duty springs at a very low price .no money to buy heavy duty shoks.
I want fit robs magik heavy duty coil springs and mount them using ordinary shock absobers. Is that ok or what kind of problems can I expect now or in the future? The car is a Prado Ofcourse it is ok. You just have to be sure about the load carrying specifications and quality of the ordinary shocks you want to use. Most wont last long. But how long they will last also depends on the roads you shall be driving on, how much you load/overload the car and your driving style. What Prado series is it? 90 or 120? I can advice on technical specifications of the front & back suspension system.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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mpobiz wrote:I recently bought a set of second hand heavy duty springs at a very low price .no money to buy heavy duty shoks.
I want fit robs magik heavy duty coil springs and mount them using ordinary shock absobers. Is that ok or what kind of problems can I expect now or in the future? The car is a Prado You will have a hard ride and the shocks will wear out faster ... The first thing they told me when I went to replace my shocks is that I also need to replace the springs,..ati the factory ones are not suited for Africa. I was suspicious that this is BS they tell people so that you fork out tens of thousands of shillings for new springs when the factory springs are perfectly fit for purpose. Ati not fit for Africa! I had carried five people into rough gicagi roads and they functioned perfectly, the wheels didn't touch the housing or anything like that. Anyway, to shut the dude up, I started going at him with technical questions, like the tensile strengths of the 'heavy duty springs' vis a vis the factory ones. To end the argument, we set both springs in some machine and compressed them to get the readings. Guess what, the difference was negligible, and the factory spring spread back to its normal length much faster than the after market one. They have never tried to sell me springs again.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/12/2013 Posts: 28 Location: Nairobi
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That's the nonsense. I was even surprised to see JM Baraza (a motoring) expert saying that imported land cruisers are not built for Africa. When a land cruiser is built, it is built as an OFF ROAD vehicle whether it is delivered to Europe, Russia or Africa. Kwani wanafikiria hakuna vichaka or rugged terrain in Europe? Most equipment are standard. There are some changes Toyota makes to some markets in line with say emission regulations, client preferences in that market etc. But they never compromise on the vehicles ability off road.
When you import a vehicle, just ensure you immediately service it. If it is from Europe/Japan, it may have lower viscosity i.e. SAE 5w 30. Coolant may contain higher levels anti-freeze - you may have to flash the radiator too and use normal coolant 33% concentration. Forget about changing shocks/springs unless you want to participate in Rhino Charge.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Punda Mlia wrote:That's the nonsense. I was even surprised to see JM Baraza (a motoring) expert saying that imported land cruisers are not built for Africa. When a land cruiser is built, it is built as an OFF ROAD vehicle whether it is delivered to Europe, Russia or Africa. Kwani wanafikiria hakuna vichaka or rugged terrain in Europe? Most equipment are standard. There are some changes Toyota makes to some markets in line with say emission regulations, client preferences in that market etc. But they never compromise on the vehicles ability off road.
When you import a vehicle, just ensure you immediately service it. If it is from Europe/Japan, it may have lower viscosity i.e. SAE 5w 30. Coolant may contain higher levels anti-freeze - you may have to flash the radiator too and use normal coolant 33% concentration. Forget about changing shocks/springs unless you want to participate in Rhino Charge.  spot on! Perhaps the major thing one should worry most is the quality of fuel we have locally, in terms of octane rating, etc. some of the newer engines are a bit delicate in that respect. Recently I also read of Gavin Bennett arguing that modern-day in-car electronics has rendered the need for 'tropicalization' redundant. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2007 Posts: 816
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quicksand wrote:....
The first thing they told me when I went to replace my shocks is that I also need to replace the springs,..ati the factory ones are not suited for Africa. I was suspicious that this is BS they tell people so that you fork out tens of thousands of shillings for new springs when the factory springs are perfectly fit for purpose. Ati not fit for Africa! I had carried five people into rough gicagi roads and they functioned perfectly, the wheels didn't touch the housing or anything like that.
Anyway, to shut the dude up, I started going at him with technical questions, like the tensile strengths of the 'heavy duty springs' vis a vis the factory ones. To end the argument, we set both springs in some machine and compressed them to get the readings. Guess what, the difference was negligible, and the factory spring spread back to its normal length much faster than the after market one.
They have never tried to sell me springs again.
@quicksand - nice one. Punda Mlia wrote:That's the nonsense.....
When a land cruiser is built, it is built as an OFF ROAD vehicle whether it is delivered to Europe, Russia or Africa. Kwani wanafikiria hakuna vichaka or rugged terrain in Europe? Most equipment are standard. There are some changes Toyota makes to some markets in line with say emission regulations, client preferences in that market etc. But they never compromise on the vehicles ability off road.
When you import a vehicle, just ensure you immediately service it. If it is from Europe/Japan,...........
.... Forget about changing shocks/springs unless you want to participate in Rhino Charge. @ PM - I totally agree.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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I don't understand this tropicalization thing. During the summer, in Europe/Japan they have very high temperatures sometimes even over 35 degrees C, temperatures higher than we ever get in Nairobi. I thought that the engine would therefore comfortably operate in Nairobi where the temperatures rarely go beyond 27 degrees C and 10 degrees on the lower side. I also dont think that the temperature of a running engine varies whether you are in Africa or europe, since the fuel combusts at the same temperature.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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jaggernaut wrote:I don't understand this tropicalization thing. During the summer, in Europe/Japan they have very high temperatures sometimes even over 35 degrees C, temperatures higher than we ever get in Nairobi. I thought that the engine would therefore comfortably operate in Nairobi where the temperatures rarely go beyond 27 degrees C and 10 degrees on the lower side. I also dont think that the temperature of a running engine varies whether you are in Africa or europe, since the fuel combusts at the same temperature. @jaggernaut something is not put in a car for no reason. And designs are not done for the fun of it. Believe me a lot of reasearch go into an invention, and before car manufacturer says this is fit for tropics and that is fit for winter areas like Russia. So, for your information, there is something called thermostat. There is also something called "cold start" for diesel engines. ALl these have functions dependind on where th car will be used. So, you're right, you don't need the termostat in hot areas.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/8/2009 Posts: 171
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Rankaz13 wrote:Recently I also read of Gavin Bennett arguing that modern-day in-car electronics has rendered the need for 'tropicalization' redundant. Link to the exact article¡ʇɹoɟɟǝ ƃuıɟɟǝ ǝɥʇ ɹoɟ ɥɔnɯ os ؛uıɐʌ uı ɔıqɐɹɐ ƃuıuɹɐǝן pǝıɹʇ ı
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