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THE GOSPEL - Setting the record straight.
Ante_Christa
#91 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:07:23 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Religion is for the weak minded. You have to be an award winning dumbass to believe in nonsensical fairy tales involving talking snakes and some hippy turning water into wine and walking on water. Lol. Surely, there is a sucker born everyday. Now you guys can tell your god to strike me dead. An waiting for my punishment. Hehehe.


Ham Burglar!

So which fairy tale do you subscribe to ?

Is it the one where your ancestors morphed from algae to fish to crawling fish to im not sure what was between that and baboons then finally to hamburger ?

Not that one? Which one ?



There is an interesting twist to this fairy tail, or is it 'tale'?

Can an example be given of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?

The backbone of evolution is diversification in the genes, that is then expressed by the species when it develops and / or strengthens a useful trait - simply explained, survival of the fittest.

So what mutation has so far been mapped out and can be explained as an example?

We need proof!!!!!!
AlphDoti
#92 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:36:55 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Ante_Christa wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Religion is for the weak minded. You have to be an award winning dumbass to believe in nonsensical fairy tales involving talking snakes and some hippy turning water into wine and walking on water. Lol. Surely, there is a sucker born everyday. Now you guys can tell your god to strike me dead. An waiting for my punishment. Hehehe.

Ham Burglar!

So which fairy tale do you subscribe to ?

Is it the one where your ancestors morphed from algae to fish to crawling fish to im not sure what was between that and baboons then finally to hamburger ?

Not that one? Which one ?

There is an interesting twist to this fairy tail, or is it 'tale'?

Can an example be given of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?

The backbone of evolution is diversification in the genes, that is then expressed by the species when it develops and / or strengthens a useful trait - simply explained, survival of the fittest.

So what mutation has so far been mapped out and can be explained as an example?

We need proof!!!!!!

@Ante and @Ham I want to appeal again to your intellect and reflect on something very astonishing...

Just be patient and read through
Quote:
It is He Who stretched out the earth and placed firmly embedded mountains and rivers in it.
And made two types of every kind of fruit.
He covers over day with night.
There are Signs in that for people who reflect.

These words were spoken, more than 1400 years, in the Quran, Sur Ar-Rad, chapter 13:3.

What am I talking about?
The expansion of the universe
In the Quran, revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive.
The expansion of the universe was described like this:
Quote:
And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
Quran, Surat adh-Dhariyat, chapter 51:47

In other words
...in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands".
And this is the same conclusion that science has reached today.

How?
The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology.
Which have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands".

See some evidence
Quote:
At the beginning of the twentieth century.
The Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre.
Theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

Another evidence
Quote:
It was also proved by observational data in 1929.
While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer.
Discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other.
A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe.
The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding.


Another proof today: Why Is Africa Ripping Apart?
Seismic Scan May Tell
The rift is growing about 1 inch (2.54 centimeters) per year...

This fact was explained in the Quran when that was still unknown to anyone.

Who would have told Muhammad (peace be upon him), 14 centuries ago?

Please humbly answer this question.
hamburglar
#93 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 7:55:11 AM
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Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887
Mtu Biz wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Religion is for the weak minded. You have to be an award winning dumbass to believe in nonsensical fairy tales involving talking snakes and some hippy turning water into wine and walking on water. Lol. Surely, there is a sucker born everyday. Now you guys can tell your god to strike me dead. An waiting for my punishment. Hehehe.


Ham Burglar!

So which fairy tale do you subscribe to ?

Is it the one where your ancestors morphed from algae to fish to crawling fish to im not sure what was between that and baboons then finally to hamburger ?

Not that one? Which one ?


Dude. Once again. I am not weak minded. I don't subscribe to anything. I live and let live. I try to live an honest and morally upright life. I don't care about creation or evolution. Nobody knows the truth. Nobody knows shit. But one thing that I know for sure is that there is no bearded man sitting in the sky watching out every move. If he exists (I know he doesn't), then he needs to get his act together and get to work. This world has a lot of issues. A child under 5 years of age is dying every four minutes or so around the world. Cancer is still a scourge on society. Aids is killing people unabated. Children are starving to death. Yet your "father who art in heaven" is just sitting on his ass and plotting on how he will punish hamburglar and his non believing ilk for calling him out. Well, you guys can tell your god to kiss my ass. Instead of reveling in all the attention and worship and ass kissing he is getting, he needs to get off his high horse and get to work. People have been praising him for too long, only people with low self esteem need to be praised constantly. People like me don't need any praise. We do what we need to do to make this world a better place and don't care for accolades or praise or worship or all the other nonsense your god seems to demand from his "children". Am mature enough to understand that we are the only ones that can help ourselves on this earth. If we keep waiting for that imaginary bearded guy in the sky to help us them we will be waiting for a long time. It's very easy. All the people of means need to band together around the world and help the needy. There is enough in this world to go around. We need to start employing logic to solve out problems instead of depending on a god that either doesn't exist or if he does, has some very screwed up priorities. He seems to like punishing rebels like me more than he is interested in helping his children. I have been in Kenya for 4 months trying to finish my children's home project that some of you might remember that I was doing. I see poverty all over the place. It hurts to see all the poverty, but in the midst of all that, people (over 90 percent) of the country, is still depending on this missing in action god to help them out of their misery. I get it, it's a third world country and there is going to be poverty, that's inevitable, but instead of dedicating all this time with religion and worship and prayers, maybe we should start thinking of practical ways to alleviate the living conditions of Kenyans. Maybe we should start going to the slums and volunteering on Sunday instead of spending all day Sunday in church praying to a disinterested god. It just sounds more practical to feed a starving kid in the slum than to listen to a businessman cum entertainer cum pastor, telling us retarded stories about some guy raising people from the dead. The pastor is only there for your money people, he doesn't know shit from Adam. He is just another quintessential conman just like all the other conmen plying their trade around Kenya. So why not take that money that you give to your pastor and buy some food and take it to Mathare on Sunday? Anyway, whatever. Keep praying to your gods, you will never get any answers. Some of us prefer to me more realistic. That's all, y'all have a good day.
deadpoet
#94 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 8:10:37 AM
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hamburglar
#95 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 8:39:29 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Religion is for the weak minded. You have to be an award winning dumbass to believe in nonsensical fairy tales involving talking snakes and some hippy turning water into wine and walking on water. Lol. Surely, there is a sucker born everyday. Now you guys can tell your god to strike me dead. An waiting for my punishment. Hehehe.

Happy new year!!!
While u were away,many religious threads were started & we were wondering what became of you. Seems God still loves yousmile
Care to dig up those threads and explain?
When do you plan to get saved?smile
akina Tycho,nabwire and essyk have soo missed you!


Happy new year to you too my friend. Good to see you again. Am back for round 2 and more. Lol. Unfortunately for you, I don't plan on getting saved any time soon.....actually, ever. What exactly do people get saved from anyway? Snakes, speeding cars, pastors? Lol. I guess people get saved from going to hell. That seems to be the general consensus among my religious friends. Well, for me, I actually find the idea of heaven and hell laughable. If anything, I think I would actually prefer hell if I had my choice. You guys can keep your gold paved roads and mansions and all the goodies you keep talking about in heaven. I don't need all that shit. All I care about is leaving this world that I live in, a better place than I found it. I don't need any rewards in "heaven". Tell your god to sell my mansion in heaven and send some of that money down here to help some starving kids. I don't need his mansion in heaven, I need for him to give us a cure for cancer. I don't want any rewards, don't care for rewards. So, I am not getting saved any time soon because I don't want to go to that heaven place and be around this god guy that sits around doing nothing while children starve to death on earth. I don't want to be around a douchebag like that. I don't want to be his friend. To me, he is an asshole. If he can give us a cure for cancer, then what is he waiting for? He is an asshole for that. I will be in hell in the room next to the fire pit. Lol. At least there will be no hypocrites down there and we will have a party every day. You guys can keep your "heaven" to yourselves. I still wouldn't go there even if someone put a gun to my head. Au siyo philanga? Lol.
kysse
#96 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 10:06:24 AM
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Joined: 1/17/2013
Posts: 4,693
Location: Earth
Quote:
hamburglar
I don't plan on getting saved any time soon.....actually, ever.
No one does.
What exactly do people get saved from anyway? Snakes, speeding cars, pastors? Lol. I guess people get saved from going to hell. That seems to be the general consensus among my religious friends.yeah they are religious.religion is a means not and end.

Well, for me, I actually find the idea of heaven and hell laughable.keep laughing till hell knocks on your door.


If anything, I think I would actually prefer hell if I had my choice.
Well you do? please Book early.Demand for hell is very high nowadays.

You guys can keep your gold paved roads and mansions and all the goodies you keep talking about in heaven. I don't need all that shit.
phew,you wouldn't know how to walk on golden streets cz you are used to murram and earth road.Laughing out loudly
All I care about is leaving this world that I live in, a better place than I found it.Whose world have you set residence? Who allowed you to live on this world? Who are you and where did you come from really?

I don't need any rewards in "heaven".Nah don't you worry,you don't even wish to set foot there afterall.

Tell your God to sell my mansion in heaven and send some of that money down here to help some starving kids.
No dude,Silver and Gold are his.There's no reserved mansion for anybody cz nothing is predestined.He created YOU MAN to take care of those kids on his behalf.If they are starving it means that YOU MAN has FAILED in your duty.
sO Get up feed and cloth them cz somebody took care of you too.


I don't need his mansion in heaven, I need for him to give us a cure for cancer.
Did God create a foolish or less man? He gave you a brain but Man in his wisdom has destroyed his own race by trying to become God.
What is cancer? Where do free cancer causing radicals come from? We create them when we disorganize what God created in its original form.We mess up what is pure and natural and try to perfect through modernization, so that we can make money fast.-Greed.
As a result,We end up destroying ourselves and God laughs at our 'human wisdom'.
So now we go back crying 'Naomba Mungu asaidie when you deliberately disorganized what he made perfect for your body?


I don't want any rewards, don't care for rewards.
But you ain't getting any! Chill mehn, after all you have already made a pact with the other side.

So, I am not getting saved any time soon because I don't want to go to that heaven place and be around this god guy that sits around doing nothing while children starve to death on earth.
This GOD created and gave you a responsibility.He didn't ask you to give birth anyhow and neglect kids.He does nothing? while we men reproduce and neglect the kids? Does God hold a gun on our heads and force us to procreate and give rise to kids we cant feed? What is so wrong with obeying God's order?
Those kids are products of Irresposnible men and Women not God.Plaese own up and stop blaming your maker.

I don't want to be around a douchebag like that.

Nah you are the douche bag.He is GOD.You can scream from the Himalayas but that wont change the fact that HE IS GOD.smile
I don't want to be his friend.
The good thing with God is that he doesn't reason like man.You can hate him so much,call him whatever you want but the more you do it,the more he loves you.He just wont force you to go out on a date with him.
Thank God that I am not God cz I would have dealt with you properly.smile

To me, he is an asshole. If he can give us a cure for cancer, then what is he waiting for? He is an asshole for that. I will be in hell in the room next to the fire pit. Lol.
He is wondering why man likes destroying himself.He gives man brain but man tries to outsmart him and ends up creating stuff that kill him.Like seriously what do you expect him to do? Take away our brains?
Eat well,stop all these bad habits we are used to .We are killing ourselves not God.

I still wouldn't go there even if someone put a gun to my head. Au siyo philanga? Lol.

Right now I am asking God not make me your neighbor in heaven cz I may take you back to hell..if that is possible. If saul/David and all the other nasty guys, repented anybody can.

Mtu Biz
#97 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 11:45:22 AM
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Joined: 1/16/2007
Posts: 1,320
hamburglar wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Religion is for the weak minded. You have to be an award winning dumbass to believe in nonsensical fairy tales involving talking snakes and some hippy turning water into wine and walking on water. Lol. Surely, there is a sucker born everyday. Now you guys can tell your god to strike me dead. An waiting for my punishment. Hehehe.


Ham Burglar!

So which fairy tale do you subscribe to ?

Is it the one where your ancestors morphed from algae to fish to crawling fish to im not sure what was between that and baboons then finally to hamburger ?

Not that one? Which one ?


Dude. Once again. I am not weak minded. I don't subscribe to anything. I live and let live. I try to live an honest and morally upright life. I don't care about creation or evolution. Nobody knows the truth. Nobody knows shit. But one thing that I know for sure is that there is no bearded man sitting in the sky watching out every move.


@hamburger this is the part of your response i was interested in.

Nobody knows the truth... Nobody knows shit...i don't subscribe to anything... i live and let live.

BUT

you try and live an honest and morally upright life

and you have compassion on the poor sick and dying

and you have major beef with the idea that there can ever exist a"heavenly father" with all the issues in this world.

SO

You do subscribe to something, albeit of your own creation... to make sense of the world in the way that you best understand.
True? (don't just shrug its true!)
It is impossible to be of sound mind and not subscribe to anything.

Nobody knows shit ?
You know enough to "try and live an honest and morally upright life"
don't you?
If you really didn't know shit then you wouldn't give a shit and would be indifferent to what anyone else thinks is truth.
200 plus posts of you going into a fit over what other people believe says different.

I live and let live...
Really? Yet you have the reputation of running anyone with an inclination towards the existence of a "heavenly father" out of town?

So hamburglar, can i engage you and try ans answer the specific issues you have raised?

e.g human suffering sickness, wars etc all in the context of the God of all creation as revealed in the scriptures?








Sola Scriptura


hamburglar
#98 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 1:40:53 PM
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Joined: 12/17/2011
Posts: 887
Mtu Biz wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
Religion is for the weak minded. You have to be an award winning dumbass to believe in nonsensical fairy tales involving talking snakes and some hippy turning water into wine and walking on water. Lol. Surely, there is a sucker born everyday. Now you guys can tell your god to strike me dead. An waiting for my punishment. Hehehe.


Ham Burglar!

So which fairy tale do you subscribe to ?

Is it the one where your ancestors morphed from algae to fish to crawling fish to im not sure what was between that and baboons then finally to hamburger ?

Not that one? Which one ?


Dude. Once again. I am not weak minded. I don't subscribe to anything. I live and let live. I try to live an honest and morally upright life. I don't care about creation or evolution. Nobody knows the truth. Nobody knows shit. But one thing that I know for sure is that there is no bearded man sitting in the sky watching out every move.


@hamburger this is the part of your response i was interested in.

Nobody knows the truth... Nobody knows shit...i don't subscribe to anything... i live and let live.

BUT

you try and live an honest and morally upright life

and you have compassion on the poor sick and dying

and you have major beef with the idea that there can ever exist a"heavenly father" with all the issues in this world.

SO

You do subscribe to something, albeit of your own creation... to make sense of the world in the way that you best understand.
True? (don't just shrug its true!)
It is impossible to be of sound mind and not subscribe to anything.

Nobody knows shit ?
You know enough to "try and live an honest and morally upright life"
don't you?
If you really didn't know shit then you wouldn't give a shit and would be indifferent to what anyone else thinks is truth.
200 plus posts of you going into a fit over what other people believe says different.

I live and let live...
Really? Yet you have the reputation of running anyone with an inclination towards the existence of a "heavenly father" out of town?

So hamburglar, can i engage you and try ans answer the specific issues you have raised?

e.g human suffering sickness, wars etc all in the context of the God of all creation as revealed in the scriptures?










Dude. Stop the cognitive dissonance. You don't know shit about where man came from and neither does your pastor or anybody else in this world. We all have theories but no facts. So it's nonsense to dwell on something we can't prove. Instead of wasting your time "subscribing" to nonsense that can't be proved, you would be much better served doing other things. It's not impossible to be of sound mind and not subscribe to either creation or evolution. I just don't have time to wrack my brain about shit nobody can prove. If you want to subscribe to talking snakes then knock yourself out. I on ther other hand can't dumb down myself to that level. Surely, I can't see how I can believe in stories about people turning into pillars of salt because they looked back or some angry "father" burning his kids in sodom because they disobeyed. Your god has serious anger issues. Why the hell would somebody drown (Noah) his children and then years or centuries later or earlier, I don't know and don't care, burn more of his children in Sodom and Gomorrah? I'd that the man you guys worship? Well, am different. I can't even shake that terrorist's hand. Anybody that can burn and drown his children so callously needs to face the ICC. Lol. This god guy needs to enroll in anger management classes together with the poster up there (forgot his/her name), who says that I am lucky he/she is not god coz I would have felt his/ her full wrath. Very typical of religious people. All they think of doing every time they are challenged is react violently or inflict pain back. How very "loving". But I don't blame you guys, you get the anger and vengeful reactions from your angry god who seems to love killing people every chance he gets. His idea of a good life is telling people to sacrifice their sons and having his "son" die ostensibly for our sins. What did this proverbial Jesus dying for our sins help with? What nonsense. This god guy has serious serious issues. Why is he so obsessed with killing? Who tells people to sacrifice their kids? For what? How does driving a knife into your son's chest solve anything? How does drowning people during Noah's time help anything other than just create pain and suffering? What an evil god this guy is. To the poster above, piece of advice, learn to digest dissenting opinions without thinking of resorting to violence. Religion and violence go hand in hand because of simpletons like you who resort to threats and violence over your non existent gods. You people are dumb. With angry religious people like you around, we will keep losing lives in the name of gods everyday. Dumbasses.
Ante_Christa
#99 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 2:06:22 PM
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Joined: 5/31/2013
Posts: 109
Oh dear.

I guess we will not be discussing biology - the genome project.

Or quantum physics - you know the small matter of from nothing to something aka the big-bangy thing.

Can we discuss chemistry then, why life has not been created despite the availability of all the primordial chemicals that were present when life supposedly arose after some lightning occured.

No?

Mtu biz, if you cannot discuss science there let us continue ours in peace.

We thence will learn knowledge and information.
Mtu Biz
#100 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 1:35:22 PM
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Joined: 1/16/2007
Posts: 1,320

Strange Fire




Sola Scriptura


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