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smitha
#221 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 10:58:35 AM
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Jamani wrote:
King G wrote:
With the kinds of results we are going to witness in August and expected growth in the economy, more so in telecomunnications sector, 14 bob is a raw deal and i am not accepting mpaka supreme court.


That's the spirit, now if we can get upto 26% of us not accepting, then fortunes will turn, and while at it we should mobilize to vote against delisting...



I have already sent in my proxy form voting against the de-listing and thereby effectively turning down the offer.
mlennyma
#222 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 12:37:10 PM
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You guys will melt like that man who wanted to reach the sun.we are small men in the game.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
youcan'tstopusnow
#223 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 12:51:12 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
You guys will melt like that man who wanted to reach the sun.we are small men in the game.

Haba na haba hujaza kibaba;-)
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
King G
#224 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 2:06:43 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
You guys will melt like that man who wanted to reach the sun.we are small men in the game.

Haba na haba hujaza kibaba;-)


Kwani @mlennyma you have given up before the first salvo has been thrown - agm.
Thieves
mlennyma
#225 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 2:26:55 PM
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Who is your watchman?somen,board,gvt are all friendly.but lets try.any price adjustment upwards will apply acrossboard even to those who accepted 14
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Jamani
#226 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 3:43:44 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Who is your watchman?somen,board,gvt are all friendly.but lets try.any price adjustment upwards will apply acrossboard even to those who accepted 14


The issue is to educate all to hold their shares back.. Not to return completed forms of acceptance.
mlennyma
#227 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 3:47:46 PM
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I realised all brokers are mobilising wanjikus to support so as to get their cut,how many wanjikus know wazua?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Jamani
#228 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 3:55:13 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
I realised all brokers are mobilising wanjikus to support so as to get their cut,how many wanjikus know wazua?


I doubt all brokers have a cut to this one...... It's not the number of wanjikus that matter here but the middle class that's holding about 25% to 30%.
King G
#229 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 4:09:53 PM
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Jamani wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
I realised all brokers are mobilising wanjikus to support so as to get their cut,how many wanjikus know wazua?


I doubt all brokers have a cut to this one...... It's not the number of wanjikus that matter here but the middle class that's holding about 25% to 30%.


How will brokers gain from this. In kenya what we call advisors or whatever technical name are very selfish with their advice always favouring the mighty.
Thieves
VituVingiSana
#230 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 4:39:24 PM
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Let it de-list. Take your 14/- and the dividend & RUN. 14/- cash in hand is worth 20/- of 'potential' value. See KK. Learn.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
h2s
#231 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 6:26:44 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Let it de-list. Take your 14/- and the dividend & RUN. 14/- cash in hand is worth 20/- of 'potential' value. See KK. Learn.

For those who bought when it was at its lowest, it's easy to accept. The same cannot be said for those who bought during its highs. personally I agree with you.
Jamani
#232 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2013 10:08:30 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Let it de-list. Take your 14/- and the dividend & RUN. 14/- cash in hand is worth 20/- of 'potential' value. See KK. Learn.


Hapana vvs, let it delist at the right price, the situation of AK is very different from the one of KK, remember KK had wars with government, KPL, Employees among others and no price had been declared, due diligence issues and govt (read nyoike)had not cleared the takeoveretc.
AK came straight with a price, no wars, govt cleared straight and we all know its valued more than the offer price. Shareholders shouldn't be made to fear, hang on to your shares and get a better price.
King G
#233 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:18:04 PM
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These guys are not going to achieve the 75%; there are shareholders who:
Dead
Wrong address
Illitrate who do not know what is going
Big investor who make informed Boardroom Decisions
Mimi & Jamani who don't want to be taken for a ride

Let us wait and see.
Thieves
mlennyma
#234 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 4:52:05 PM
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But remember the true value of ak as at now is less than 3b
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Jamani
#235 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:11:39 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
But remember the true value of ak as at now is less than 3b


Tell that to someone who bought the share above KES 14.
Angelica _ann
#236 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 7:45:19 PM
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Looks @ wazua it is only King G & Jamani against this sweet deal. The majority are for it. Let us support the deal & end the circus.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Jamani
#237 Posted : Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:11:57 PM
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Well lets wait and see how it goes
VituVingiSana
#238 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:23:49 AM
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If one paid 20 or 30 for AK then it was out of extreme optimism or speculation. Folks paid much higher prices for many shares including Neveready & Olympia. Or even for solid firms like SCBK [330], EABL [420], etc

Look at KK when it was trading at 16 due to optimism that Puma will pay 20. BTW, I did think Puma would pay at least 18 but I was hoping for 22. I was wrong. Dead wrong. Today, if someone were to offer me 15 I would bail out. At 14, I would give it some serious thought. At 13, I will consider it. At 12, I would remain open to the idea if I could re-invest the proceeds elsewhere & it was a quick deal [not waiting 6 months].

Therefore it does NOT matter if you paid 30 for AK. That is history. The value is not 30. The expected 2013 EPS is 1/- which would imply 30x PER. Even if the EPS for 2014 was 2/- that's a PER of 15. There's an OPPORTUNITY COST to every decision
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Jamani
#239 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:56:04 AM
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I have made a choice as I did with KK now I wait for the consequences.
mlennyma
#240 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:00:53 PM
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Iam in the profit territory on ak and i have signed to accept.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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