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Hazina Trade Centre -39 floors
segemia
#61 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:29:07 AM
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gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?
Chiizi
#62 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39:28 AM
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This is a sick idea. People are running away from town. How much floor space will they create?
Chiizi
#63 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:46:51 AM
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@Kaigangio,

Please tell us more about works to the foundations. I know a German company was contracted to come and ensure that that construction did not affect the neighbouring Nginyo towers plus other buildings andKoinange street as an after thought. No other person was allowed on site during their contract. The Germans came in with their own labourers, engineers and even truck drivers to protect their technology. Over to you on that one. Shed more light please.
Siringi
#64 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:20:24 PM
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@kaiganjo you must be a civil engineer

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Ngogoyo
#65 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:47:17 PM
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obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


sacrifice today for a better tomorrow i hope
gregory
#66 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:48:55 PM
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segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible
Kaigangio
#67 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:07:05 PM
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segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


@gregory is right...The contractor must before construction begin submit two things to the client namely:

1. Performance/surety bond...This covers the developer against any non-performance situation by the contractor

2. Idemnity covers...This covers the developer against any claims that may arise from:

(i) any persons (workers and others involved in the project) injured in the site in case of an accident.

(ii) any damages to neighbouring buildings and plant/equipment during the life of the contract (construction)





...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Kaigangio
#68 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:12:44 PM
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Chiizi wrote:
This is a sick idea. People are running away from town. How much floor space will they create?


It is not a sick idea. Many bussinesses are moving from CBD because of parking problems...

by any standards within Nairobi, an office block offering parking to the tune of 500 vehicle spaces is a hot cake...believe me, there will be a cut throat competition and scrambling for these office spaces...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Kaigangio
#69 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:33:14 PM
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Chiizi wrote:
@Kaigangio,

Please tell us more about works to the foundations. I know a German company was contracted to come and ensure that that construction did not affect the neighbouring Nginyo towers plus other buildings andKoinange street as an after thought. No other person was allowed on site during their contract. The Germans came in with their own labourers, engineers and even truck drivers to protect their technology. Over to you on that one. Shed more light please.


The companies that participated (tendered) in the construction of the first phase of this development were purely Kenyan. Any other participants were just domestic sub-contractors who had no contact and contract whatsowever with the NSSF.

Some of the notable domestic subs in the basements were:

1. piling...I can't remember the company name

2. raft pre-mixed concrete supplier...Mugoya construction

3. Waterproofing specialists...Molecular Maintenance

Any others may have passed me...


...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Kaigangio
#70 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:49:54 PM
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gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible


@ gregory

A landlord who would agree to such would be quite foolish...Why?

The site once handed over to the contractor literally becomes his including any other item within it and as such the landlord is covered against any claims that may arise from within the site during the contract execution.

This is one of the tender conditions and thereafter contract condition that the contractor is obliged to adhere to failure to which the contractor automatically breaches the contract...

The Hazina towers development is unique in that there are three categories of people on this construction site.

1. the controlled category...these are the workers carrying out the construction on this site.

2. the uncontrolled permanent category...these are the businessmen/women owning businesses in the construction site

3. the uncontrolled non-permanent (temporary) category...these are you and me who visit or go shopping in the construction site and we are there for only a couple of minutes in a given visit...

The landlord is normally clever enough to transfer all the risks to the contractor from day one of the construction at a premium...

At any instantaneous time anybody within this building is and should be covered against any harmful effects of the construction...

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
gregory
#71 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:31:37 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible


@ gregory

A landlord who would agree to such would be quite foolish...Why?

The site once handed over to the contractor literally becomes his including any other item within it and as such the landlord is covered against any claims that may arise from within the site during the contract execution.

This is one of the tender conditions and thereafter contract condition that the contractor is obliged to adhere to failure to which the contractor automatically breaches the contract...

The Hazina towers development is unique in that there are three categories of people on this construction site.

1. the controlled category...these are the workers carrying out the construction on this site.

2. the uncontrolled permanent category...these are the businessmen/women owning businesses in the construction site

3. the uncontrolled non-permanent (temporary) category...these are you and me who visit or go shopping in the construction site and we are there for only a couple of minutes in a given visit...

The landlord is normally clever enough to transfer all the risks to the contractor from day one of the construction at a premium...

At any instantaneous time anybody within this building is and should be covered against any harmful effects of the construction...



but remember accidents can still happen in the occupied building that are not the contractor's fault. does the contractor have an insurable interest in that case? my answer is no. also take note that building contracts have partial possesion or sectional completion. am not sure how the original contract was structured but i know for a fact that either the client waits for the contractor to give him a building 100% complete but if he chooses to take it earlier ( sectional completion),he does so at their own risk!!! the insurances and the like are taken over by the client. this is also in the contract.
wouldn't you agree that the current shop owners have taken over a small portion of the multi-storey building and the landlord is now responsible for all risks that go with it. my 2 cents
Kaigangio
#72 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:10:20 PM
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gregory wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible


@ gregory

A landlord who would agree to such would be quite foolish...Why?

The site once handed over to the contractor literally becomes his including any other item within it and as such the landlord is covered against any claims that may arise from within the site during the contract execution.

This is one of the tender conditions and thereafter contract condition that the contractor is obliged to adhere to failure to which the contractor automatically breaches the contract...

The Hazina towers development is unique in that there are three categories of people on this construction site.

1. the controlled category...these are the workers carrying out the construction on this site.

2. the uncontrolled permanent category...these are the businessmen/women owning businesses in the construction site

3. the uncontrolled non-permanent (temporary) category...these are you and me who visit or go shopping in the construction site and we are there for only a couple of minutes in a given visit...

The landlord is normally clever enough to transfer all the risks to the contractor from day one of the construction at a premium...

At any instantaneous time anybody within this building is and should be covered against any harmful effects of the construction...



but remember accidents can still happen in the occupied building that are not the contractor's fault. does the contractor have an insurable interest in that case? my answer is no. also take note that building contracts have partial possesion or sectional completion. am not sure how the original contract was structured but i know for a fact that either the client waits for the contractor to give him a building 100% complete but if he chooses to take it earlier ( sectional completion),he does so at their own risk!!! the insurances and the like are taken over by the client. this is also in the contract.
wouldn't you agree that the current shop owners have taken over a small portion of the multi-storey building and the landlord is now responsible for all risks that go with it. my 2 cents


May be we need to separate the two circumstances and treat them individually:

Firstly, start with an operational shopping mall before the works begin...

At this point in time, the building is fully owned by the landlord and any accidents that may happen within it and are attributable to the structure itself e.g lift ropes detarching or getting cut and lift going down in free fall causing deaths to the occupants, the atrium roof curving in and going down causing injuries or even death, etc, the landlord here would be responsible since all the risks are his/hers.

secondly, an operational shopping mall with construction works above it going on...

When the landlord hands over the construction site, the contractor assumes full ownership of the premises until the finished development is finally handed over to the landlord...The landlord thus transfers all the construction and building risks to the contractor such that if any misfortunes arises in any part of the building (be it in the operational section or the section under construction) and are attributable to the on-going construction works the contractor is squarely responsible...

take an example, the crane is lifting a load of reinforcement steel to 30th floor, but unfortunately at 25th floor level the knot tying up the reinfos becomes accidentally undone and the steel goes down smashing the atrium roof and on to the ground floor killing a couple of shoppers...You see the fact that this has happened in the operational section of the building, the landlord is not responsible for claims from these deaths but the contractor...The contractor will also be responsible for the damage to the atrium roof..That is why the contractor will have to take an idemnification cover for the buildings and the new works.

As for partial possession of a building by the landlord this is a different story altogether..In the case under consideration the operational section of the building is an existing entity and shall not form part of any physical work executed under the current contract.

If the new works goes to such a stage that the landlord feels that he needs to have or occupy a portion of it, then the contractor will complete that portion just as stipulated in the contract. The project will be said to be partially handed over when the landlord takes possession of it while the contractor continues to execute the rest of works elsewhere. The only risk here that the contractor transfers to the landlord is the operational maintenance costs and any other building damages that may arise due to its usage by the landlord. Plus the defects liability period for this portion starts from the date of partial practical completion. If the DLP expires before the construction is complete then the landlord becomes wholly responsible for the portion that he has been occupying (all the risks here to the landlord).

By the way partial hand over is normally a part of the contract agreement. The contract agreement would not have to be amended to accommodate the the partial completion scenario.
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
gregory
#73 Posted : Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:38:03 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
gregory wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
gregory wrote:
segemia wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
obiero wrote:
as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete


No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site...


What do you @Kaigangio mean????

before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.


@gregory, In this case where the construction will be carried out when the businesses within the "construction site" will be running normally, are the shoppers and business owners covered or insured by the contractor against any accidents?


these are general insurance clauses in construction contracts. in this instance, they have allowed shoppers and business owners to continue accessing the building. it get's very interesting coz once a contractor hands over a building, the owner is now supposed to provide his insurance cover. in this case, the owner of the building has insurance for the occupied floors and the contractor takes insurance for the new works. if for example a falling debris injures someone, the contractor is responsible but if an accident happens in the current shop floors, the building owner is responsible


@ gregory

A landlord who would agree to such would be quite foolish...Why?

The site once handed over to the contractor literally becomes his including any other item within it and as such the landlord is covered against any claims that may arise from within the site during the contract execution.

This is one of the tender conditions and thereafter contract condition that the contractor is obliged to adhere to failure to which the contractor automatically breaches the contract...

The Hazina towers development is unique in that there are three categories of people on this construction site.

1. the controlled category...these are the workers carrying out the construction on this site.

2. the uncontrolled permanent category...these are the businessmen/women owning businesses in the construction site

3. the uncontrolled non-permanent (temporary) category...these are you and me who visit or go shopping in the construction site and we are there for only a couple of minutes in a given visit...

The landlord is normally clever enough to transfer all the risks to the contractor from day one of the construction at a premium...

At any instantaneous time anybody within this building is and should be covered against any harmful effects of the construction...



but remember accidents can still happen in the occupied building that are not the contractor's fault. does the contractor have an insurable interest in that case? my answer is no. also take note that building contracts have partial possesion or sectional completion. am not sure how the original contract was structured but i know for a fact that either the client waits for the contractor to give him a building 100% complete but if he chooses to take it earlier ( sectional completion),he does so at their own risk!!! the insurances and the like are taken over by the client. this is also in the contract.
wouldn't you agree that the current shop owners have taken over a small portion of the multi-storey building and the landlord is now responsible for all risks that go with it. my 2 cents


May be we need to separate the two circumstances and treat them individually:

Firstly, start with an operational shopping mall before the works begin...

At this point in time, the building is fully owned by the landlord and any accidents that may happen within it and are attributable to the structure itself e.g lift ropes detarching or getting cut and lift going down in free fall causing deaths to the occupants, the atrium roof curving in and going down causing injuries or even death, etc, the landlord here would be responsible since all the risks are his/hers.

secondly, an operational shopping mall with construction works above it going on...

When the landlord hands over the construction site, the contractor assumes full ownership of the premises until the finished development is finally handed over to the landlord...The landlord thus transfers all the construction and building risks to the contractor such that if any misfortunes arises in any part of the building (be it in the operational section or the section under construction) and are attributable to the on-going construction works the contractor is squarely responsible...

take an example, the crane is lifting a load of reinforcement steel to 30th floor, but unfortunately at 25th floor level the knot tying up the reinfos becomes accidentally undone and the steel goes down smashing the atrium roof and on to the ground floor killing a couple of shoppers...You see the fact that this has happened in the operational section of the building, the landlord is not responsible for claims from these deaths but the contractor...The contractor will also be responsible for the damage to the atrium roof..That is why the contractor will have to take an idemnification cover for the buildings and the new works.

As for partial possession of a building by the landlord this is a different story altogether..In the case under consideration the operational section of the building is an existing entity and shall not form part of any physical work executed under the current contract.

If the new works goes to such a stage that the landlord feels that he needs to have or occupy a portion of it, then the contractor will complete that portion just as stipulated in the contract. The project will be said to be partially handed over when the landlord takes possession of it while the contractor continues to execute the rest of works elsewhere. The only risk here that the contractor transfers to the landlord is the operational maintenance costs and any other building damages that may arise due to its usage by the landlord. Plus the defects liability period for this portion starts from the date of partial practical completion. If the DLP expires before the construction is complete then the landlord becomes wholly responsible for the portion that he has been occupying (all the risks here to the landlord).

By the way partial hand over is normally a part of the contract agreement. The contract agreement would not have to be amended to accommodate the the partial completion scenario.


read your contract document again on what constitutes a site. "site is the whole area where the works are carried out". the contractor must have unfettered access of the site or the whole of it. if you want the current building to constitute site, then the building would have to be handed over empty i.e with no occupants. secondly, read about insurance and what INSURABLE INTEREST means. the contractor cannot in any court of law be held responsible for an accident that occurs in nakumatt lifestly coz the floor was slippery or a fire in a shop due to a faulty socket. these perils are not as a result of carrying out the works above. they are squarely the owners's and their tenant's business. i repeat that he only takes insurance where he has an insurable interest. the owner must maintain that insurance. don't confuse it with all other insurances the contractor has in place before work commences.
secondly, the contract document is a standard document that has amendments. thats why you find for example in large housing projects, the contractor fills for phase 1, phase 2 or phase 1 and 2 together delivered once.for there to be sectional completion in the proper sence, each section must have a separate completion date; separate practical completion certificates, separate amounts for liquidated damages etc. and it has to be with the contractor's consent. most client's get impatient and want to occupy buildings coz contractor is late. again, whenever that happens, all the risk associated with that part are transferred to the client and appropriate adjustments made to retention, release of retention, damages for delay in completion, insurance etc.
mwekez@ji
#74 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 10:42:31 AM
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Kidero on the spot as regulator okays 39-storey building
Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿
Metasploit
#75 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 11:30:32 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Kidero on the spot as regulator okays 39-storey building
Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿


“Validation of environmental impact assessment needs to be done. Yes, it was approved back in the 90’s then the re-approval was done in March, but the environmental impact assessment was not renewed. So we will be asking NSSF to do that,” said Dr Kidero in an interview with NTV.

I think Kidero is in order.Misleading title by BD.

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
mwekez@ji
#76 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 11:41:43 AM
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Metasploit wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Kidero on the spot as regulator okays 39-storey building
Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿


“Validation of environmental impact assessment needs to be done. Yes, it was approved back in the 90’s then the re-approval was done in March, but the environmental impact assessment was not renewed. So we will be asking NSSF to do that,” said Dr Kidero in an interview with NTV.

I think Kidero is in order.Misleading title by BD.


@Metasploit,

The national environmental regulator has rejected claims by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero that NSSF does not have its approval to construct the Hazina Trade Centre, which is set to be Nairobi’s tallest tower on completion.

The National Environment Management Authority (Nema) said in an interview it had renewed plans by NSSF to extend the eight-storey Hazina Trade Centre to 39 floors in June last year, having first given the authorisation in September 2011.

Approvals by the environmental authority remain valid for two years.

mwekez@ji
#77 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 12:07:25 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Kidero on the spot as regulator okays 39-storey building
Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿


“Validation of environmental impact assessment needs to be done. Yes, it was approved back in the 90’s then the re-approval was done in March, but the environmental impact assessment was not renewed. So we will be asking NSSF to do that,” said Dr Kidero in an interview with NTV.

I think Kidero is in order.Misleading title by BD.


@Metasploit,

The national environmental regulator has rejected claims by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero that NSSF does not have its approval to construct the Hazina Trade Centre, which is set to be Nairobi’s tallest tower on completion.

The National Environment Management Authority (Nema) said in an interview it had renewed plans by NSSF to extend the eight-storey Hazina Trade Centre to 39 floors in June last year, having first given the authorisation in September 2011.

Approvals by the environmental authority remain valid for two years.



... so, i ask again, Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿
Kaigangio
#78 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 10:07:25 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Metasploit wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Kidero on the spot as regulator okays 39-storey building
Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿


“Validation of environmental impact assessment needs to be done. Yes, it was approved back in the 90’s then the re-approval was done in March, but the environmental impact assessment was not renewed. So we will be asking NSSF to do that,” said Dr Kidero in an interview with NTV.

I think Kidero is in order.Misleading title by BD.


@Metasploit,

The national environmental regulator has rejected claims by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero that NSSF does not have its approval to construct the Hazina Trade Centre, which is set to be Nairobi’s tallest tower on completion.

The National Environment Management Authority (Nema) said in an interview it had renewed plans by NSSF to extend the eight-storey Hazina Trade Centre to 39 floors in June last year, having first given the authorisation in September 2011.

Approvals by the environmental authority remain valid for two years.



... so, i ask again, Kwani Kidero is not for maendeleo ya nrb¿ Whatz up with the guy¿


@ mwekez@ji

If you read my earlier posts any barriers created by the Nairobi County planning department is an avenue for bribery and corruption...

These guys don't usually get this kind of mega projects quite often...The contractor on the other hand would wish the process finished quickly so that he can start making money...

You can rest assured that the money that will be changing hands behind the scenes for quickening of the process will be paid out by the contractor...He will recover it nevertheless!!!
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
kiriita
#79 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 10:10:40 PM
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Odongo's 'roadside declaration' (I read on Capital FM he saw it on twirra) had nothing to do with this, right?
mwekez@ji
#80 Posted : Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:29:18 AM
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kiriita wrote:
Odongo's 'roadside declaration' (I read on Capital FM he saw it on twirra) had nothing to do with this, right?

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