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kamaug wrote:murchr wrote:Kaigangio wrote:murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? The traffic flow will not be any different than it is now because the available parking space in the basement will be optimumly utilised just as it is happening now...Although the tower will be constructed there will be no corresponding increase in parking space... In the early stages fo development, the civil engineers persuaded the Nairobi City Council to make monrovia and mokhta daddah street single lanes which they did...but NCC made a very stupid mistake...introducing side parkings along these roads...This is why most of the times there is traffic jams along koinange street even when the university way is clear!! I believe those who will be parking there will eventually leave for other businesses, supposing they all leave at five baada ya kazi, how messy will the roads be esp if we are to believe that the 500 who currently park there work in the vicinity? Traffic will def be a mess....but thats the Kenyan way of doing things...we'll react later Lets not forget... there is a Heliport... they thought of everything...  How many will be landing there yawa "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2012 Posts: 3,855 Location: Othumo
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murchr wrote:kamaug wrote:murchr wrote:Kaigangio wrote:murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? The traffic flow will not be any different than it is now because the available parking space in the basement will be optimumly utilised just as it is happening now...Although the tower will be constructed there will be no corresponding increase in parking space... In the early stages fo development, the civil engineers persuaded the Nairobi City Council to make monrovia and mokhta daddah street single lanes which they did...but NCC made a very stupid mistake...introducing side parkings along these roads...This is why most of the times there is traffic jams along koinange street even when the university way is clear!! I believe those who will be parking there will eventually leave for other businesses, supposing they all leave at five baada ya kazi, how messy will the roads be esp if we are to believe that the 500 who currently park there work in the vicinity? Traffic will def be a mess....but thats the Kenyan way of doing things...we'll react later Lets not forget... there is a Heliport... they thought of everything... How many will be landing there yawa There is a heliport not airport as we know it Thieves
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/10/2010 Posts: 2,264
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There is a building being constructed around upper hill, from far it looks like the tallest building in town. I don't see this hazina house catching up Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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mpobiz wrote:There is a building being constructed around upper hill, from far it looks like the tallest building in town. I don't see this hazina house catching up @mbobiz, I think the one in Upper Hill is the KCB HQs. The Upper Hill elevation is higher than that one of CBD hence the appearance of the buildings there seeming taller than those in the CBD. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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@Kaigangio, When is the lease agreement with Nakumatt expiring? That’s when they should do the construction or otherwise pay Nakumatt for the remaining term. There is no way construction can continue when building is under occupation.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/16/2008 Posts: 111
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limanika wrote:There is no way construction can continue when building is under occupation. @Limalika This seems not to be the case. Read a story featured in the Nation sometimes back. http://www.jambonewspot....eated-nairobis-skyline/ "Among my most technically complicated projects, Lonrho House takes the cake. When I got the deal to do the house, there was a two-storey structure on site which had existing tenants who were not expected to move out of their premises or close shop. We had to construct the house around and over them as they went on with their daily duties." Also the story in the star newspaper seems to suggest that construction will proceed while clients go about their business. http://www.the-star.co.k...ssf-sh67billion-project
"Justus Kathenge, the assistant director of city planning in charge of enforcement said the contractor, China Jiangxi International Kenya Limited, should indicate the modern technology they will use in the construction of the 39-storey structure to avoid affecting current tenants, including Nakumatt supermarket" It will be interesting to see how this goes
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Tito44 wrote:limanika wrote:There is no way construction can continue when building is under occupation. @Limalika This seems not to be the case. Read a story featured in the Nation sometimes back. http://www.jambonewspot....eated-nairobis-skyline/ "Among my most technically complicated projects, Lonrho House takes the cake. When I got the deal to do the house, there was a two-storey structure on site which had existing tenants who were not expected to move out of their premises or close shop. We had to construct the house around and over them as they went on with their daily duties." Also the story in the star newspaper seems to suggest that construction will proceed while clients go about their business. http://www.the-star.co.k...ssf-sh67billion-project
"Justus Kathenge, the assistant director of city planning in charge of enforcement said the contractor, China Jiangxi International Kenya Limited, should indicate the modern technology they will use in the construction of the 39-storey structure to avoid affecting current tenants, including Nakumatt supermarket" It will be interesting to see how this goes If the Lonro house was constructed ‘around’ an existing building, then it might have been easier to deal with. In the present case, the building occupies entire plot beacon to beacon and they have to use the existing columns. If the existing tenants will remain during construction, it will be very interesting indeed to see what technology they are going to employ to guarantee safety.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,517 Location: nairobi
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as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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a4architect.com wrote:Kaigangio wrote:murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? The traffic flow will not be any different than it is now because the available parking space in the basement will be optimumly utilised just as it is happening now...Although the tower will be constructed there will be no corresponding increase in parking space... In the early stages fo development, the civil engineers persuaded the Nairobi City Council to make monrovia and mokhta daddah street single lanes which they did...but NCC made a very stupid mistake...introducing side parkings along these roads...This is why most of the times there is traffic jams along koinange street even when the university way is clear!! @kaigangio..brilliant logic. If NCC make the area around Nakumatt one way with no street parking, the issue of jam can be resolved. NCC has a very active planning team in regards to traffic planning. Its main members are the roads engineering team, planning team and development control team. AS to whether they implement these brilliant ideas is fodder for another day. @ a4architect I have never quite understood why the then NCC roads engineers and planners could not take a simple advise of free flow in a constricted section... You see all the traffic movement simulations had been carried out and all the data regarding the effects on adjacent roads, Koinange, University Way, Muindi Mbingu and Biashara Street at various times of the day cross-referenced...Seems to me the NCC engineers did not study it in order to arrive at a logical conclusion... May be this time round they will retrieve those documents from their shelves after a whole 14 years where they have been gathering dust... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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murchr wrote:Kaigangio wrote:murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? The traffic flow will not be any different than it is now because the available parking space in the basement will be optimumly utilised just as it is happening now...Although the tower will be constructed there will be no corresponding increase in parking space... In the early stages fo development, the civil engineers persuaded the Nairobi City Council to make monrovia and mokhta daddah street single lanes which they did...but NCC made a very stupid mistake...introducing side parkings along these roads...This is why most of the times there is traffic jams along koinange street even when the university way is clear!! I believe those who will be parking there will eventually leave for other businesses, supposing they all leave at five baada ya kazi, how messy will the roads be esp if we are to believe that the 500 who currently park there work in the vicinity? Traffic will def be a mess....but thats the Kenyan way of doing things...we'll react later @ murchr As long as as the building will reach the originally intended extent there will be no change in traffic flow along the Mokhta daddah street and Monrovia Road...infact as we discuss this, the parking is operating at 33% above the full capacity!! For now the only things that would alter the vehicle movement on these two roads are: 1. Construction of another office block similar in size or slightly smaller but with alot of parking space along either of the two roads, Koinange Street and Muindi Mbingu. 2. Dismantling the side parkings on the two roads and creating two unidirectional lanes for each road. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Construction extension on the already occupied lower block will not be that hard...why? 1. We already have service lanes where the crane and any other hoisting equipment will be mounted (that is where the crane was originally mounted anyway) 2. We already have a covered roof (by concrete slab) for mezzanine 2 and any dropping objects will never reach the shoppers... 3. The superstructure is the RC Framed structure type (beams columns and the reinforced concrete slabs) whose physical size and mass per floor is not that huge to warrant any worries during their erections... 4. The only real issues here are: (a) The dust resulting from drying up spilled slurry and mortar...this is usually taken care of by covering the building with a special dust-proof covers (I am quite sure most members have seen them in new buildings coming up in the heart of CBD)...This is mandatory for the contractor and it has been included in the tender document... (b) One of the lanes (preferably Mokhta Daddah street) have to be closed to in order to allow the trucks and other vehicles deliver the material for the construction with ease and without causing any traffic mayheim in the adjacent roads...this sorely rests with the NCC... Any other hinderance from the NCC is an avenue for bribery/corruption...Why? NEMA had already given NSSF a clean bill of health on this construction based on assessments evaluation carried out by the NEMA on the impact of this project on surrounding population & construction workers safety & health hygiene and other infrastructural effects attributable to the development... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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mpobiz wrote:There is a building being constructed around upper hill, from far it looks like the tallest building in town. I don't see this hazina house catching up @ mpobiz You measure the height of a building from the very ground on which it stands to the topmost tip... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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limanika wrote:@Kaigangio, When is the lease agreement with Nakumatt expiring? That’s when they should do the construction or otherwise pay Nakumatt for the remaining term. There is no way construction can continue when building is under occupation. I don't know but one thing that i know is that Nakumatt tendered for the space along with Uchumi, Ukwala and Tuskys somewhere around 1999 (4 to 5 years before completion) and won... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Tito44 wrote:limanika wrote:There is no way construction can continue when building is under occupation. @Limalika This seems not to be the case. Read a story featured in the Nation sometimes back. http://www.jambonewspot....eated-nairobis-skyline/ "Among my most technically complicated projects, Lonrho House takes the cake. When I got the deal to do the house, there was a two-storey structure on site which had existing tenants who were not expected to move out of their premises or close shop. We had to construct the house around and over them as they went on with their daily duties." Also the story in the star newspaper seems to suggest that construction will proceed while clients go about their business. http://www.the-star.co.k...ssf-sh67billion-project
"Justus Kathenge, the assistant director of city planning in charge of enforcement said the contractor, China Jiangxi International Kenya Limited, should indicate the modern technology they will use in the construction of the 39-storey structure to avoid affecting current tenants, including Nakumatt supermarket" It will be interesting to see how this goes I am quite sure Kathenge was already aware of the intended construction when the drawings/plans were delivered to their offices for approval...I believe all this information that he is seeking was included in those plans... He is definitely raising issues which he should have raised with the project professionals during the drawings approval stage... So why wouldn't he let the contractor fully mobilise both the machinery and personnel and later he goes and inspects the technology which China Jiang-xi are using for their construction... I think he is harassing the contractor so that he can be bribed...i don't see it any other way!!! ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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obiero wrote:as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2009 Posts: 658
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Kaigangio wrote:obiero wrote:as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site... What do you @Kaigangio mean????
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2011 Posts: 176
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segemia wrote:Kaigangio wrote:obiero wrote:as a tenant i would want to vacate willingly during construction. i wldnt have the stomach to imagine being suddenly burried under 39floors of concrete No need to worry @ obiero...the contractor has idemnified NSSF against any accidents meaning he has insured all and sundry within the construction site... What do you @Kaigangio mean???? before construction work begins, the contractor has to have taken adequate insurance to cover the building under construction and the people working there. furthermore, there is also insurance against injury to persons and property caused as a result of the works. i.e damage to adjacent buildings etc.
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