infinitely whole or wholly infinite?

I don't know what it is that you are thinking, but I used Man up in this sense: Be brave enough to come out and give a counterargument.

First the assertion 'zero is a number, also the number that is no number', mara 'zero is a number - a zero number'....

Then the mighty 180 degree turn around 'zero isn't about absence' ...... escapism as InnovateGuy aptly puts it.

Both of you must have hoped that zero has no value. So that you could say it cannot be defined. So that you could say it has no boundary, no fence.

What you earlier thought had no fence turns out to have one. It can be defined, delineated.

You took a leap of faith, without making sure of the landing first.

What else have you thought needs no fence that has turned out has one? And there is nothing you can do about it.

If the final concession is still hard to come by after this, I understand. I wont push for it.

InnovateGuy is asking for a clear thesis. I just want a demonstration. I am sure it will speak for itself to me better than you can ever explain.

I see your point. Most sincere apologies.

Let's start with what 'Freud says'. There's a 'personality'. Personality implies 'being'. And 'being' has three 'parts'. The 'id', the 'ego', and 'Super ego'.

Now step back and see that Freud is giving us a 'metaphor' that 'dis-integrates' being into three.

By Freud asserting that 'Where id is, ego must be' he is asking us to 'integrate' ourselves.

Question; what are we to do with the 'Super ego'? Freud was simply asserting that one needed to use the light of the 'Super ego', via the ego, to 'reconcile' the 'id'.

Being entails a struggle against the 'dark forces' of the 'Id'.

When one 'overcomes' the 'id' with the 'light', then he/she is made 'whole'.

The ego looks 'up' to the 'super ego' for 'help' on this 'task'.

But the ego is always under the influence of the id. How can one succeed in the task? Through sacrificing the ego.

The id is 'defeated'. Now there's freedom. No fence.

The 'Psychoanalytic process' must be transcended.

Is this a 'universal truth'? Look at the myths of the world, they resemble each other in above respect.

Is this about 'domination' and 'Superiority'? No. It's about dancing with God. Being the wind.

Long knives indeed. Interesting.

# FOLLOWING#

Hello. What's happening here? Si shiki! Lol.

The ideals of the super ego, are linked to the id.

All analysis is breaking down.

A good way of looking at the ultimate objective is to consider 'entropy'. Everything is from it, and going to it. 'It', is the 'id'.

So we are looking at an inevitable process. All history is heading there.

The only way is to be 'it'. This is life.

Eternal life.

The body is one but the mind is fragmented.This is a central theme from various religions and mythical stories.The id is the default 'program',the ego the audience/actor and the super-ego consciousness.Take the example of a child,a child operates mostly on the id but the nature of an operator is awareness thus it is inevitably drawn into consciousness.After which it begins to subdue the ids 'operating system'.Transcendence is the ego being conscious of the id and itself and not necessarily reconciliation of the fragments.The best example of this is individuals who take control of functions allocated to the unconscious,like controlling one's heart rate.

Assuming that existence progresses from nothingness to infinity,where infinity plays out in a series of nows,we are living in infinity.Progress then can be identified within the nows as changes in perception,religion,society,science,politics...As I see it the ideals in the 'different' nows are the fences where individuals subscribe to live within.Now the question is,if God is infinitely whole and wholly infinite,where does that leave us.I ask because if He is complete in infinity and infinitely complete,doesn't it seem we are irrevocably converging to the Alpha and Omega?