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Pan Africa Insurance at sh 19
Kausha
#41 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 2:09:15 PM
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Life insurance companies must include movement in their quoted stocks on the P&L. Non-life insurance companies don't have to. This is the practice in Kenya and IRA.
mibbz
#42 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:23:55 PM
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Finally,a proper link on the proposed changes to the Insurance Act.....M n A coming soon in this industry

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/1cytdvz/-/index.html


Oh,and to Sanlam,i know your agents read this.we await a premium on our stock,forget the ksh 50 and 51 you have been trying to sneak in with this week Speak to the hand Laughing out loudly
guru267
#43 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 3:03:34 AM
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dave.kim wrote:
guru267 wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
The investment and its "babies"is now safely in Panafrica Insurance smile


@Wondergirl for pan Africa's case if you have decided to go long term you should really keep a close eye on the NSE perfomance!

Sad Please explain- I'm slow in following the idex....


Pan Africa's perfomance is significantly directly correlated to the perfomance of the NSE because of their huge stock portfolio which is recognised in the P&L... This is unlike Kenya re that does not recognise its stock portfolio in its P&L at all....

Inotherwords the NSE does badly Pan africa does badly and vice versa! Sad

Aii!is there an insurance company that doesnt recognize quoted investments in the P&L?Angalia annual reports vizuri: 'Gain in value on quoted investments'


@dave.Kim if you check properly such a thing does not exist on Kenya re's P&L!

Kenya re only includes it in "other comprehensive income" and this has no effect on EPS!!

Check the footnotes for the breakdown of investment income for 2011 report. It is indicated as 'Reclassification from equity of accumulated fair value gain on
available for sale quoted equity instruments'. And then the same amount is later deducted through comprehensive income as 'Reclassification adjustments relating to
available-for-sale financial assets disposed in the year'. So it still affects bottom line


in 2012 this reclassification was a mere 300million... Negligible if you asked me!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mlennyma
#44 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 10:00:15 AM
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Who knows when cfci and ak will pay their fy div.?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mibbz
#45 Posted : Saturday, July 06, 2013 12:44:30 PM
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Has the Pan Africa dividend been paid/disbursed to shareholders?
King G
#46 Posted : Saturday, July 06, 2013 2:11:16 PM
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mibbz wrote:
Has the Pan Africa dividend been paid/disbursed to shareholders?


there is a thread on dividends, ask there and you will be answered pap!
Thieves
theking
#47 Posted : Saturday, July 06, 2013 6:04:18 PM
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mibbz wrote:
Has the Pan Africa dividend been paid/disbursed to shareholders?


yes it was paid,EFT came thro even b4 payment date of 01/07/2013
mibbz
#48 Posted : Sunday, July 07, 2013 2:55:00 AM
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Thanks King and king g
mibbz
#49 Posted : Monday, July 15, 2013 1:00:24 PM
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@mwekezaji,@guru, @hisah, @wondergirl @guru267 among the other distinguished regular wazua contributors.I have scanty knowledge on matters financial regulation and governance etc having dropped business studies in primary level but i have a question that am hoping all shall contribute.here goes:

What if as a shareholder in this great company of ours called pan Africa i take it upon myself to go the share registry,contact each and every shareholder then form a Pan Africa shareholders association with the main aim of mopping up our shareholding into a block so that we can negotiate with any party interested in buying us out such as Sanlam,of course at a premium.....eg i manage to convince in small shareholders holding approximately 1 mil shares towards this cause....
my question are:
1.Is this legal;does a law against such exist in our constitution?
2.can this be considered colluding and price fixing?
3.Is there such a precedent in kenya or perhaps rest of the world where shareholders come together and negotiate a buy out as opposed to awaiting an offer?
Kausha
#50 Posted : Monday, July 15, 2013 1:15:28 PM
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Technically nobody stops you from doing, however there are no guarantees that Sanlam would buy. Just bear in mind Sanlam already runs the company and is more clued in than you on the business and they wouldn't pay a premium to you so technically on the negotiating table you will be playing poker with the manufacturer of the cards!
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