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I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... By inference, the man is all that Mr Phantom is not: an untrustworthy radical, divisive, too many enemies, a dictator, and a persistent liar...Gaitho dialogues.
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Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... Any renders online? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... Any renders online? Ok got them.... "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... Aha, mimi nilikuwa nachungulia tu nikipita. Around the same time, used to hear same rumors about Telposta Towers, that some people munched money equivalent to several floors. Anywho, wacha waimalize sasa to the original plan tuione. I think that parking should be adequate. Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Traffic around the area will be terrible
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Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible?
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obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? KICC has kibao space... possunt quia posse videntur
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Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... @ kihangeri...what you are telling us is not true...how long did you work there anyway? A little insight... The contract for NSSF Office block between Mokhta Daddah and Monrovia Street as it was originaly known was commissioned to Mruttu Salmann Associates (architects), Abdul Mullick Associates (Structural Civil engineers), Tana & Associates (Quantity Surveyors) and Kisa & Partners Cons. Engineers (Services Engineers). The architectural concept of the building depicted a maasai holding two shields... This was commissioned together at the same time with the NSSF Embakasi housing, NSSF Mountain View Housing and little known NSSF Karen Housing (White elephant) way back in 1994 when Muindi was the Managing Trustee and NSSF was liquid. The construction contract for the Office block was awarded in 1997 to one Mavji Construction limited at a tender sum of kshs 3.8 Billion if i remember well...The building consisted of 4 basements parking to accommodate 375 vehicles, Ground floor (nowadays they park more than 500), mezzanine 1 & 2, 31 typical office floors, Lift machines floor, communication masts floor and heliport.... The excavations at some point had to be precisionally controlled because it started generating some problems to the nearby buildings, (read nginyo towers and others) which started developing cracks... At a depth of 18m below the surface another big challenge arose...The geological tests carried out in the entire area covered by the block showed that the rock here could not carry the weight of the building...besides that, there was evidence of an underground stream directly below which explained why the contractor spent so much time and big pumps pumping out the water pooling from underground and spreading in the huge pit. So what to do...The building raft was redesigned and piles (underground columns) were introduced... To stabilise the base it took 600 piles distributed over the area ranging in diameter sizes 900mm on the tower side and 600mm in the mid sections and 300mm towards the monrovia road side. Again the raft depths were uneven. The depth of raft on the tower side was a whooping 3.8m!!!...and it varied from various random section to a minimum depth of 1.8m near the monrovia road side...The variation attributed to piles introduction and raft changes was about kshs 0.5 billion (about 12% of the tender sum)... The concrete pouring for the raft was sub-contracted to Mugoya which was the only construction company that could manage the concrete pours of such magnitude...They had a large fleet of concrete mixer/pumps trucks...About 20,000 cubic metre of concrete went into the raft!!! At around 1999 NSSF was almost going bankrupt having awarded mega projects and making huge payments...NSSF embakasi housing (kshs 6 billion), NSSF Office Block (kshs 3.8 billion), NSSF Mountain view (kshs kshs 900 million), NSSF Karen housing (Not sure but nearly kshs 2 billion) these figures being contract awarded tender sums....of course 2 years later the variations were huge...Note also the contracts were awarded during an election period and lots of money was needed for the campaign...the cash cow...NSSF!! The project had to be scaled down and the construction was to reach water tanks floor level...At this level it was projected that the project would cost about kshs 2.8 Billion based on the tendered rates and other unmeasured and concealed works... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Kaigangio wrote:Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... @ kihangeri...what you are telling us is not true...how long did you work there anyway? A little insight... The contract for NSSF Office block between Mokhta Daddah and Monrovia Street as it was originaly known was commissioned to Mruttu Salmann Associates (architects), Abdul Mullick Associates (Structural Civil engineers), Tana & Associates (Quantity Surveyors) and Kisa & Partners Cons. Engineers (Services Engineers). The architectural concept of the building depicted a maasai holding two shields... This was commissioned together at the same time with the NSSF Embakasi housing, NSSF Mountain View Housing and little known NSSF Karen Housing (White elephant) way back in 1994 when Muindi was the Managing Trustee and NSSF was liquid. The construction contract for the Office block was awarded in 1997 to one Mavji Construction limited at a tender sum of kshs 3.8 Billion if i remember well...The building consisted of 4 basements parking to accommodate 375 vehicles, Ground floor (nowadays they park more than 500), mezzanine 1 & 2, 31 typical office floors, Lift machines floor, communication masts floor and heliport.... The excavations at some point had to be precisionally controlled because it started generating some problems to the nearby buildings, (read nginyo towers and others) which started developing cracks... At a depth of 18m below the surface another big challenge arose...The geological tests carried out in the entire area covered by the block showed that the rock here could not carry the weight of the building...besides that, there was evidence of an underground stream directly below which explained why the contractor spent so much time and big pumps pumping out the water pooling from underground and spreading in the huge pit. So what to do...The building raft was redesigned and piles (underground columns) were introduced... To stabilise the base it took 600 piles distributed over the area ranging in diameter sizes 900mm on the tower side and 600mm in the mid sections and 300mm towards the monrovia road side. Again the raft depths were uneven. The depth of raft on the tower side was a whooping 3.8m!!!...and it varied from various random section to a minimum depth of 1.8m near the monrovia road side...The variation attributed to piles introduction and raft changes was about kshs 0.5 billion (about 12% of the tender sum)... The concrete pouring for the raft was sub-contracted to Mugoya which was the only construction company that could manage the concrete pours of such magnitude...They had a large fleet of concrete mixer/pumps trucks...About 20,000 cubic metre of concrete went into the raft!!! At around 1999 NSSF was almost going bankrupt having awarded mega projects and making huge payments...NSSF embakasi housing (kshs 6 billion), NSSF Office Block (kshs 3.8 billion), NSSF Mountain view (kshs kshs 900 million), NSSF Karen housing (Not sure but nearly kshs 2 billion) these figures being contract awarded tender sums....of course 2 years later the variations were huge...Note also the contracts were awarded during an election period and lots of money was needed for the campaign...the cash cow...NSSF!! The project had to be scaled down and the construction was to reach water tanks floor level...At this level it was projected that the project would cost about kshs 2.8 Billion based on the tendered rates and other unmeasured and concealed works... @kaiganjo dossier nayo? soo detailed..
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obiero wrote:Kaigangio wrote:Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... @ kihangeri...what you are telling us is not true...how long did you work there anyway? A little insight... The contract for NSSF Office block between Mokhta Daddah and Monrovia Street as it was originaly known was commissioned to Mruttu Salmann Associates (architects), Abdul Mullick Associates (Structural Civil engineers), Tana & Associates (Quantity Surveyors) and Kisa & Partners Cons. Engineers (Services Engineers). The architectural concept of the building depicted a maasai holding two shields... This was commissioned together at the same time with the NSSF Embakasi housing, NSSF Mountain View Housing and little known NSSF Karen Housing (White elephant) way back in 1994 when Muindi was the Managing Trustee and NSSF was liquid. The construction contract for the Office block was awarded in 1997 to one Mavji Construction limited at a tender sum of kshs 3.8 Billion if i remember well...The building consisted of 4 basements parking to accommodate 375 vehicles, Ground floor (nowadays they park more than 500), mezzanine 1 & 2, 31 typical office floors, Lift machines floor, communication masts floor and heliport.... The excavations at some point had to be precisionally controlled because it started generating some problems to the nearby buildings, (read nginyo towers and others) which started developing cracks... At a depth of 18m below the surface another big challenge arose...The geological tests carried out in the entire area covered by the block showed that the rock here could not carry the weight of the building...besides that, there was evidence of an underground stream directly below which explained why the contractor spent so much time and big pumps pumping out the water pooling from underground and spreading in the huge pit. So what to do...The building raft was redesigned and piles (underground columns) were introduced... To stabilise the base it took 600 piles distributed over the area ranging in diameter sizes 900mm on the tower side and 600mm in the mid sections and 300mm towards the monrovia road side. Again the raft depths were uneven. The depth of raft on the tower side was a whooping 3.8m!!!...and it varied from various random section to a minimum depth of 1.8m near the monrovia road side...The variation attributed to piles introduction and raft changes was about kshs 0.5 billion (about 12% of the tender sum)... The concrete pouring for the raft was sub-contracted to Mugoya which was the only construction company that could manage the concrete pours of such magnitude...They had a large fleet of concrete mixer/pumps trucks...About 20,000 cubic metre of concrete went into the raft!!! At around 1999 NSSF was almost going bankrupt having awarded mega projects and making huge payments...NSSF embakasi housing (kshs 6 billion), NSSF Office Block (kshs 3.8 billion), NSSF Mountain view (kshs kshs 900 million), NSSF Karen housing (Not sure but nearly kshs 2 billion) these figures being contract awarded tender sums....of course 2 years later the variations were huge...Note also the contracts were awarded during an election period and lots of money was needed for the campaign...the cash cow...NSSF!! The project had to be scaled down and the construction was to reach water tanks floor level...At this level it was projected that the project would cost about kshs 2.8 Billion based on the tendered rates and other unmeasured and concealed works... @kaiganjo dossier nayo? soo detailed..  Was just thinking the same...karibu you tell us what the mjengo guys were eating for lunch. This is good stuff though! The harder you work, the luckier you get
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obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? Are you suggesting that the project be abandoned because of traffic?
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jaggernaut wrote:murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? Are you suggesting that the project be abandoned because of traffic? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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jaggernaut wrote:murchr wrote:obiero wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Traffic around the area will be terrible Parking space has been factored into the design. Glass half full. Please think positive. Is traffic around KICC terrible? Lets think mathematically, assuming everyone in the building and the surrounding with the privilege of driving leaves at 5, and given that the roads will not expand, how will that traffic be? Are you suggesting that the project be abandoned because of traffic? Ofcourse not, am just highlighting the fact that we dont put so much thought into issues when starting projects. If only the govt/city would have a light rail then...but as long as we still will drive to work and fill the parking spaces then expect a problem. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Kaigangio wrote:Kihangeri wrote:Rankaz13 wrote:
I recall when the existing building was being built and I was in college hapo UoN. There were all these rumors flying around that the building was supposed to be taller than KICC. I was actually surprised they stopped at the existing 8 floors. Perhaps the rumors were true after all.
The foundation for the building was for almost 50 stories high. However, the government of the day decided to munch the difference of 50 minus 8 and the preceeds from NSSF were said to have been spent well. To be sure, count how many underground parking levels exist in the building.Heavy digging machines looked like toys when the open cast mine was being dug. I worked there for some time.Thus my ... @ kihangeri...what you are telling us is not true...how long did you work there anyway? A little insight... The contract for NSSF Office block between Mokhta Daddah and Monrovia Street as it was originaly known was commissioned to Mruttu Salmann Associates (architects), Abdul Mullick Associates (Structural Civil engineers), Tana & Associates (Quantity Surveyors) and Kisa & Partners Cons. Engineers (Services Engineers). The architectural concept of the building depicted a maasai holding two shields... This was commissioned together at the same time with the NSSF Embakasi housing, NSSF Mountain View Housing and little known NSSF Karen Housing (White elephant) way back in 1994 when Muindi was the Managing Trustee and NSSF was liquid. The construction contract for the Office block was awarded in 1997 to one Mavji Construction limited at a tender sum of kshs 3.8 Billion if i remember well...The building consisted of 4 basements parking to accommodate 375 vehicles, Ground floor (nowadays they park more than 500), mezzanine 1 & 2, 31 typical office floors, Lift machines floor, communication masts floor and heliport.... The excavations at some point had to be precisionally controlled because it started generating some problems to the nearby buildings, (read nginyo towers and others) which started developing cracks... At a depth of 18m below the surface another big challenge arose...The geological tests carried out in the entire area covered by the block showed that the rock here could not carry the weight of the building...besides that, there was evidence of an underground stream directly below which explained why the contractor spent so much time and big pumps pumping out the water pooling from underground and spreading in the huge pit. So what to do...The building raft was redesigned and piles (underground columns) were introduced... To stabilise the base it took 600 piles distributed over the area ranging in diameter sizes 900mm on the tower side and 600mm in the mid sections and 300mm towards the monrovia road side. Again the raft depths were uneven. The depth of raft on the tower side was a whooping 3.8m!!!...and it varied from various random section to a minimum depth of 1.8m near the monrovia road side...The variation attributed to piles introduction and raft changes was about kshs 0.5 billion (about 12% of the tender sum)... The concrete pouring for the raft was sub-contracted to Mugoya which was the only construction company that could manage the concrete pours of such magnitude...They had a large fleet of concrete mixer/pumps trucks... About 20,000 cubic metre of concrete went into the raft!!! At around 1999 NSSF was almost going bankrupt having awarded mega projects and making huge payments...NSSF embakasi housing (kshs 6 billion), NSSF Office Block (kshs 3.8 billion), NSSF Mountain view (kshs kshs 900 million), NSSF Karen housing (Not sure but nearly kshs 2 billion) these figures being contract awarded tender sums....of course 2 years later the variations were huge...Note also the contracts were awarded during an election period and lots of money was needed for the campaign...the cash cow...NSSF!! The project had to be scaled down and the construction was to reach water tanks floor level...At this level it was projected that the project would cost about kshs 2.8 Billion based on the tendered rates and other unmeasured and concealed works... Boss, what formula are you using?? Volume = Area X Height Area = Pie X r X r Assuming the worst case scenario of 600 piles of 900 mm diameter and a height of 3.8m, the volume is just a very little fraction of the 20,000 cubic metres mentioned (>2,000) Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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