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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:tycho wrote:I may be wrong. But then, I could be right. nkt! you are desperate to be right. because being wrong will make all of that absolutely nothing wont it? Absolute 'nothingness' is the place to be. Wrong and right, or good and evil, are death. So why should I cling to them? As for the post, it was more about quoting @Digitek's signature. Perhaps you should pose the question to him instead.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Nothingness has a boundary. It is the place to be. In the boundary.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:Nothingness has a boundary. It is the place to be. In the boundary. I can't see the boundary. If you can see any boundaries, then you aren't seeing 'nothingness'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Circumstantial Evidence.
When 'inside', you can see your fence, your boundary.
Even when 'outside', the fence is still there.
Irony.
You are desperate not to see it.
You will never escape from a boundary, a fence.
However desperate you become.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:Circumstantial Evidence.
When 'inside', you can see your fence, your boundary.
Even when 'outside', the fence is still there.
Irony.
You are desperate not to see it.
You will never escape from a boundary, a fence.
However desperate you become.
Yes. I can never 'escape'. And if it's about 'escaping' then I may get 'desperate'. But there's 'transcending' the fence(s), and it needs no fear or desperation. All is love, and all is embraced. Evil, and 'the devil', are 'defeated' squarely.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Love is THE fence.
Concede love cannot be transcended.
The fence wins.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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woi!
I AM DISCOMBOBULATED.Let me work before I find myself on the fence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:Love is THE fence.
Concede love cannot be transcended.
The fence wins.
Transcendance, is love. So, if love is the fence, and transcendance is love, then the fence that is love is 'no fence'. Zero is a 'number'. The number that is 'no number'. So I concede. Love is the fence that is no fence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:woi!
I AM DISCOMBOBULATED.Let me work before I find myself on the fence. 'Being on the fence' is far much preferable than being 'within' the fence. 'Being within' is conforming to the world. It's death. Slavery. The 'within' is the ego and it's roles. You don't feel discombobulated there because 'you are essentially dead'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Twisting and turning, bargaining & arguing to the bitter end.
Concession speech that is no concession speech.
Transcendence implies superiority, mastery, better-than, domination.
Love has no such illusion.
Transcendence is not love.
Love is THE fence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:Twisting and turning, bargaining & arguing to the bitter end.
Concession speech that is no concession speech.
Transcendence implies superiority, mastery, better-than, domination.
Love has no such illusion.
Transcendence is not love.
Love is THE fence. Lol. Since when did 'transcendance' acquire such a meaning? Okay, let me take your definition as true. What world would such a meaning imply? It would imply a world of discrete quantities 'competing'. It's not a world. They are worlds. And if there are worlds, then one cannot speak of 'THE fence'. So, your assertions can't be true. Besides, I believe that you are now saying that God, is not love, for God is transcendent. Yet God isn't in a dominating set of relations. Instead 'He' bestows freedom to all. Your interpretation, and definition are expressive of your psychology, which can't but see 'domination'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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tycho wrote:
I doubt whether there can be an 'ought' where there's 'neither goodness nor badness' and 'choice'.
But it is so easy to feel the 'ought'. Like in the case of the 'ugly duckling'. The ought is the culture and set of values. 'I ought to swim in the pond'.
But the ought is a construct. The 'need' to belong. A quest for harmony and happiness perhaps.
In the 'end', only, 'superconsciousness' will do. The duckling becomes the eagle, and is no longer afraid of being alone. It's not about 'choosing', it's about 'being'.
Some of the social constructs you have of the world have come from the interaction with people - unless you are living alone in Mars (which I doubt).
Why do you want to get outside the conventional boundaries? Because you are aware of your surroundings. The surroundings are not good enough for you. That's why you seek an "escape". And yearn "freedom."
Goodness and badness. By whose standards? This goes back to the same fence: the society ( or whatever word you use in your own world).
Is it possible to live "outside" the fence? Yes and No. Yes, because your can use your consciousnesses to achieve the "being." This means being completely oblivious of your surroundings. Is it possibly? Probably No. It's not possible to alienate yourself from the "society." You need the society and the society needs you. You need that harmony and happiness. And in comes the other people. It's nearly impossible to shut out the rest of the world and live in your own corner. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:tycho wrote:
I doubt whether there can be an 'ought' where there's 'neither goodness nor badness' and 'choice'.
But it is so easy to feel the 'ought'. Like in the case of the 'ugly duckling'. The ought is the culture and set of values. 'I ought to swim in the pond'.
But the ought is a construct. The 'need' to belong. A quest for harmony and happiness perhaps.
In the 'end', only, 'superconsciousness' will do. The duckling becomes the eagle, and is no longer afraid of being alone. It's not about 'choosing', it's about 'being'.
Some of the social constructs you have of the world have come from the interaction with people - unless you are living alone in Mars (which I doubt).
Why do you want to get outside the conventional boundaries? Because you are aware of your surroundings. The surroundings are not good enough for you. That's why you seek an "escape". And yearn "freedom."
Goodness and badness. By whose standards? This goes back to the same fence: the society ( or whatever word you use in your own world).
Is it possible to live "outside" the fence? Yes and No. Yes, because your can use your consciousnesses to achieve the "being." This means being completely oblivious of your surroundings. Is it possibly? Probably No. It's not possible to alienate yourself from the "society." You need the society and the society needs you. You need that harmony and happiness. And in comes the other people. It's nearly impossible to shut out the rest of the world and live in your own corner. What you are saying is conventionally sensible. But is based on some false premises like going beyond the fence is misanthropy. You seem to forget the essence of God's action in history is one of going beyond the fence. That aside, if relations within the fence are the ideal, why does the individual feel alienated? The fence is alienating and dehumanizing. Going beyond it is embracing the other. It is 'society'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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kysse wrote:woi!
I AM DISCOMBOBULATED.Let me work before I find myself on the fence. Same here. Chessmaster, Tycho, Symbols, Ante_Christa... You confuse me a lot.  Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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tycho wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:Twisting and turning, bargaining & arguing to the bitter end.
Concession speech that is no concession speech.
Transcendence implies superiority, mastery, better-than, domination.
Love has no such illusion.
Transcendence is not love.
Love is THE fence. Lol. Since when did 'transcendance' acquire such a meaning? Okay, let me take your definition as true. What world would such a meaning imply? It would imply a world of discrete quantities 'competing'. It's not a world. They are worlds. And if there are worlds, then one cannot speak of 'THE fence'. So, your assertions can't be true. Besides, I believe that you are now saying that God, is not love, for God is transcendent. Yet God isn't in a dominating set of relations. Instead 'He' bestows freedom to all. Your interpretation, and definition are expressive of your psychology, which can't but see 'domination'. See? Contradictions when twisting and turning and arguing. God is not dominating you, is he? He is not forcing his way on you is he? Because He is love. Domination, transcendence is not his character. Transcendence; the new-age concept where believers overcome, dominate, master the limitations of physical existence through prayer, séance, meditation, psychedelics and what not. Just to be god-men, to be 'like' God. Trying to baptize it as an aspect of God washes with some but not me. God is love, He is THE fence. Keep toying with my definitions, your concession has been a bonus but not the prize.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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jguru wrote:kysse wrote:woi!
I AM DISCOMBOBULATED.Let me work before I find myself on the fence. Same here. Chessmaster, Tycho, Symbols, Ante_Christa... You confuse me a lot. Confusion is to the mind, as pain is to the body. It's a call to protect yourself. How can you achieve this? You can dig in to your 'convictions'. Or transcend what you have now. Raise your consciousness.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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jguru wrote:kysse wrote:woi!
I AM DISCOMBOBULATED.Let me work before I find myself on the fence. Same here. Chessmaster, Tycho, Symbols, Ante_Christa... You confuse me a lot. I am merely trying to unravel the confusion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:tycho wrote:Ante_Christa wrote:Twisting and turning, bargaining & arguing to the bitter end.
Concession speech that is no concession speech.
Transcendence implies superiority, mastery, better-than, domination.
Love has no such illusion.
Transcendence is not love.
Love is THE fence. Lol. Since when did 'transcendance' acquire such a meaning? Okay, let me take your definition as true. What world would such a meaning imply? It would imply a world of discrete quantities 'competing'. It's not a world. They are worlds. And if there are worlds, then one cannot speak of 'THE fence'. So, your assertions can't be true. Besides, I believe that you are now saying that God, is not love, for God is transcendent. Yet God isn't in a dominating set of relations. Instead 'He' bestows freedom to all. Your interpretation, and definition are expressive of your psychology, which can't but see 'domination'. See? Contradictions when twisting and turning and arguing. God is not dominating you, is he? He is not forcing his way on you is he? Because He is love. Domination, transcendence is not his character. Transcendence; the new-age concept where believers overcome, dominate, master the limitations of physical existence through prayer, séance, meditation, psychedelics and what not. Just to be god-men, to be 'like' God. Trying to baptize it as an aspect of God washes with some but not me. God is love, He is THE fence. Keep toying with my definitions, your concession has been a bonus but not the prize. Hehehe! You've done well to introduce the 'new age' ideas. It shows how you are thinking, and what you are thinking about. Man became like God a long time ago. The day he was created in 'His' likeness. The 'new age' for me, is not a no go zone.I am, beyond category. Finally, I doubt whether you understand my concession that love is the fence that is no fence. But we aren't in a hurry. Are we?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/31/2013 Posts: 109
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:jguru wrote:kysse wrote:woi!
I AM DISCOMBOBULATED.Let me work before I find myself on the fence. Same here. Chessmaster, Tycho, Symbols, Ante_Christa... You confuse me a lot. I am merely trying to unravel the confusion. Hehehe! Interesting.
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