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Kenya Power Monopoly to cease
Alfylavie
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:05:44 PM
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Mps: Liberalize power supply
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gesowan
#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:17:18 PM
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kenyan Mps must be joking,,,KPL owns the lines am yet to see who is this private guy who will come up with lines and then connect the kenyans,surely kpl is not telkom...
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:38:45 PM
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gesowan wrote:
kenyan Mps must be joking,,,KPL owns the lines am yet to see who is this private guy who will come up with lines and then connect the kenyans,surely kpl is not telkom...

kenya power will be a monopoly for the next 20 years and beyond. transmission of electricity is not done over the air like gsm companies do with telecoms. the current crop of mps is just a bunch of ignorant people
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gesowan
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:00:32 AM
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@Tupac imagine the company even getting way leaves ...so what happens three companies are licensed ..does it mean there will three posts in my compound and with magnetic field how will the lines be???
Drobos fly
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:56:49 AM
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gesowan wrote:
@Tupac imagine the company even getting way leaves ...so what happens three companies are licensed ..does it mean there will three posts in my compound and with magnetic field how will the lines be???


You know how KPLC uses a power signal to turn on and off your power heater at home. It does so using the same power lines transmitting lethal amounts of electricity without destroying the fragile power signaling equipment. That concept can be exploited greatly to achieve impressive abilities just by using the very same power line to transmit different amounts of power from different sources without frying of lighting up equipment like a light bulb.

With very high tension power lines the whole approach can be very tricky not like gsm where your dealing "harmless" power signals
guru267
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:07:32 AM
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gesowan wrote:
kenyan Mps must be joking,,,KPL owns the lines am yet to see who is this private guy who will come up with lines and then connect the kenyans,surely kpl is not telkom...


I thought KETRACO now owns those lines that KPL will only manage?? KPL is soooooooooooo dead if this one passes! Sad
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#7 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:38:51 AM
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This is loooooong overdue!
murchr
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:45:36 AM
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guru267 wrote:
gesowan wrote:
kenyan Mps must be joking,,,KPL owns the lines am yet to see who is this private guy who will come up with lines and then connect the kenyans,surely kpl is not telkom...


I thought KETRACO now owns those lines that KPL will only manage?? KPL is soooooooooooo dead if this one passes! Sad


KPLC will remain a monopoly for a very very long time. The infrastructure (transformers lines, metre etc) belong to KPLC as we speak today, any company coming in will have to invest dearly if not pay KPLC for the infrastructure hence the change in your bill will not be likely.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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limanika
#9 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:42:32 AM
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This is one I agree with murchr. Kenya power is here for the long haul – until someone ‘invents’ some sort of wireless technology to distribute electric power – the way fixed telecoms were pushed out of market.
mkeiyd
#10 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:54:45 AM
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Drobos fly wrote:
gesowan wrote:
@Tupac imagine the company even getting way leaves ...so what happens three companies are licensed ..does it mean there will three posts in my compound and with magnetic field how will the lines be???


You know how KPLC uses a power signal to turn on and off your power heater at home. It does so using the same power lines transmitting lethal amounts of electricity without destroying the fragile power signaling equipment. That concept can be exploited greatly to achieve impressive abilities just by using the very same power line to transmit different amounts of power from different sources without frying of lighting up equipment like a light bulb.

With very high tension power lines the whole approach can be very tricky not like gsm where your dealing "harmless" power signals


Who owns that transmission line? We should be focusing on cutting the westage/inefficiencies at kpc.
The new competitor can get all the unconnected regions and new cities but those already on the grid,PRAY for kpc, in light and in darkness.
Jump-steady
#11 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:42:25 AM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Drobos fly wrote:
gesowan wrote:
@Tupac imagine the company even getting way leaves ...so what happens three companies are licensed ..does it mean there will three posts in my compound and with magnetic field how will the lines be???


You know how KPLC uses a power signal to turn on and off your power heater at home. It does so using the same power lines transmitting lethal amounts of electricity without destroying the fragile power signaling equipment. That concept can be exploited greatly to achieve impressive abilities just by using the very same power line to transmit different amounts of power from different sources without frying of lighting up equipment like a light bulb.

With very high tension power lines the whole approach can be very tricky not like gsm where your dealing "harmless" power signals


Who owns that transmission line? We should be focusing on cutting the westage/inefficiencies at kpc.
The new competitor can get all the unconnected regions and new cities but those already on the grid,PRAY for kpc, in light and in darkness.


My thoughts exactly!
kollabo
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:47:04 AM
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I disagree with the naysayers. KPLC has monopoly of the old transmission technology, transformers, overhead lines, wooden posts etc. In SA domestic power lines are laid underground, distribution controlled automatically with zero cases of loss of life and damaged appliances. Competitors DO NOT need to use old KPLC infrastructure.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:16:33 PM
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80% of Kenyans are still unconnected to power.... KPL can stay with its current connections and there will still be plenty of room for competition!

Especially since KETRACO will own all new transmissions..

www.ketraco.co.ke/about/
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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:20:55 PM
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Waaa!!....There is a lot of ignorance here.I actually don't know where to start in trying to demystify power distribution.
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gesowan
#15 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:35:37 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Waaa!!....There is a lot of ignorance here.I actually don't know where to start in trying to demystify power distribution.

start from KENGEN to the power in my house....Kengen generates power sells it to kpl who then sells it to me....who owns those high Voltage powerlines(read National Grid). the sub station ....and those poles near my house ...
nostoppingthis
#16 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:38:38 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Waaa!!....There is a lot of ignorance here.I actually don't know where to start in trying to demystify power distribution.


@Guks, twende kazi...step by step...and then uniambie kwa nini hii government ya Kamwana imeongeza connection fee (from about 33,000/35,000 to a whooping 70,000/75,000)..How will we achieve rural electrification?
mkeiyd
#17 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:02:32 PM
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kollabo wrote:
I disagree with the naysayers. KPLC has monopoly of the old transmission technology, transformers, overhead lines, wooden posts etc. In SA domestic power lines are laid underground, distribution controlled automatically with zero cases of loss of life and damaged appliances. Competitors DO NOT need to use old KPLC infrastructure.


@Kollabo, Tell me [i'm a naysayer on this], where does the new power company start laying its cables using your new technology?

As i said, unconnected regions and new cities, YES but the ones ALREADY on the grid,iko shida.
Rankaz13
#18 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:07:16 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Waaa!!....There is a lot of ignorance here.I actually don't know where to start in trying to demystify power distribution.


How about we start from the beginning, KenGen. Let's take a walk from there.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:20:44 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
Waaa!!....There is a lot of ignorance here.I actually don't know where to start in trying to demystify power distribution.


@Guks, twende kazi...step by step...and then uniambie kwa nini hii government ya Kamwana imeongeza connection fee (from about 33,000/35,000 to a whooping 70,000/75,000)..How will we achieve rural electrification?


From KENYA POWER thread Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:09:54 PM:

youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Kenya Power needs to drop either Kenya or Power from its name:

Kenya- Its an embarassment to our country, sending bills on time but most of the times there is no power. Now everybody has installed a back up generator.

Power - they are now selling darkness. Thats what i get more than 50% 8f the time.


We cannot achieve 2030 with companies like KPLC. After being there for 100 years it's shocking that they should still can't perform the one and only duty they are tasked with. We have Counties talking of 24hrs economies yet KPLC can't provide electricity for more than 1 hour a day.
Wow! KPLC has been around since 1913? I had no idea.

History and Milestones

1875: Seyyied Bargash, the Sultan of Zanzibar, acquires a generator to light his palace and nearby streets.

1908: Harrali Esmailjee Jeevanjee, a wealthy merchant in Mombasa, acquires the generator and transfers it to the Mombasa Electric Power and Lighting Company.

1908: Around the same time, an engineer, Mr Clement Hertzel, is granted the exclusive right to supply electricity to the then district and town of Nairobi. This leads to the formation of the Nairobi Power and Lighting Syndicate.

1922: The two utilities in Nairobi and Mombasa are merged under a new company incorporated as the East African Power and Lighting Company (EAP&L).

1932: EAP&L acquires a controlling interest in the Tanganyika Electricity Supply Company Limited (TANESCO).

1936: EAP&L obtains generating and distribution licenses for Uganda, thereby entrenching its presence in the East African region.

1948: The Uganda Electricity Board (UEB) is established by the Ugandan Government to take over distribution of electricity in the country.

1954: The Kenya Power Company (KPC) is created - to be managed by EAP&L - for the purpose of transmitting power from Uganda through the Tororo-Juja line.

1964: EAP&L sells its majority stockholding in TANESCO to the Government of Tanzania.

1983: With its operations confined only to Kenya, EAP&L is renamed The Kenya Power and Lighting Company Limited (KPLC).

1997: The functions of generation are split from transmission and distribution. The Kenya Power Company, which has been under the management of KPLC since 1954, becomes a separate entity responsible for public-funded power generation projects.

1998: The Kenya Power Company is re-launched as the Kenya Electricity Generating Company (KenGen).

2004: The Energy Sector Recovery Project (ESRP) is started to rehabilitate and reinforce the transmission and distribution network in order to improve the quality and reliability of supply, reduce system losses and increase access to electricity.

2007: Rural Electrification Authority (REA) is established to speed up the implementation pace of the rural electrification programme.

2008: Kenya Electricity Transmission Company (KETRACO) is incorporated by the government to accelerate transmission infrastructure development.

2008: The government incorporates the Geothermal Development Company tasked with developing steam fields to reduce upstream power development risks so as to promote rapid development of geothermal electric power.

2011: The Kenya Power and Lighting Company rebrands to Kenya Power.


Maybe they [threads] should be merged...
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murchr
#20 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:56:28 PM
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guru267 wrote:
80% of Kenyans are still unconnected to power.... KPL can stay with its current connections and there will still be plenty of room for competition!

Especially since KETRACO will own all new transmissions..

www.ketraco.co.ke/about/


Guru answer these simple questions:

1. Given a choice as an investor to distribute power between Buru buru estate and my village which one would you prefer?

2. Assuming you choose buruburu over my village (ofcourse because of the returns) do you think KPL would agree to cede this market?

3. If they do agree to, at what cost and who eventually pays for it?

4. Will the customers agree to pay more because you are a new investor?

5. Assuming you choose my village over buru buru, how much will you charge my grandma and how long will it take for you to have a ROI?

6.How much power will my grandma use esp given that she goes to bed as soon as the sun sets smile .

Anyway..my understanding is that KETRACO transports or transmits large amounts of power from Kengen to KPLC substations. Transmission of power from the substations to your house is done by KPLC.
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